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I don't mean BETTER. That's a different conversation. I mean cooler.

An old CRT display was literally a small scale particle accelerator, firing angry electron beams at light speed towards the viewers, bent by an electromagnet that alternates at an ultra high frequency, stopped by a rounded rectangle of glowing phosphors.

If a CRT goes bad it can actually make people sick.

That's just. Conceptually a lot COOLER than a modern LED panel, which really is just a bajillion very tiny lightbulbs.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

I guess, in a very liberal definition of the term, "cloud gaming". Specifically the old LodgeNet systems in hotels where you could rent Nintendo games by the hour to be streamed to your room from a physical console somewhere behind the front desk. Every room had a special controller with oodles of extra buttons on it hardwired to the television that also functioned as television remotes.

The service was objectively awful, of course, when factoring in how much the hotel charged compared to what little you got for it. But I've always found it fascinating.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The phones with the internal hidden camera, I was sure it would be the future

https://www.91mobiles.com/list-of-phones/pop-up-camera-phones

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I want this so I can be sure my phone isn't sneaking a peek at my pooping face

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes! And full screen with no bs punch-hole or pricey under-screen camera

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Toasters. Specifically the Sunbeam Radiant Control toaster, with the tag line "Automatic Beyond Belief!". There is a fan site (https://automaticbeyondbelief.org/, excellent url). Like, what other appliance line has a fan site? Surely no modern day toaster!

But of course I first heard about it from Technology Connections video.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

I think a lot of old school products worked better than modern equivalents. Take toasters - when I was a kid our toaster consistently made toast with the same degree of doneness. I've had modern ones that said "microprocessor controlled" on them that couldn't make consecutive pieces the same. Also flashlights. Simple metal flashlights just worked. My new sophisticated one cycles through multiple levels of brightness and then strobing (so I can what, have my own rave?) but sudden motions make it spontaneously turn off. I mean how hard is an ON/OFF switch?

And what's the deal with airline food? I'm thinkin' hey!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

My grandmother used to have one. I never realized how it worked before that video, but I was always fascinated by the fact that the bread would lower itself

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

LED panel, which really is just a bajillion very tiny lightbulbs.

It is not, but for the sake of the argument it's ok.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It is. Not to be confused with LCD.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

Well, they're not bulbs, they're diodes... but yeah.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

The original tv remote didn't use batteries. It used sound. Giant clunky devices with large tactile buttons. Never runs out of batteries and still works if your kid tries to block the screen to keep you from turning it off

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Our first TV remote was on a cable! This would have been in the early 80s I think.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Those remotes used little spring-loaded mechanical chimes that emitted ultrasonic notes. As a kid I discovered my parents' big Magnavox console stereo would change channels if I clinked a handful of coins.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

Even the replacement and most modern remotes (with an LED at the tip that you have to point at the device) use pretty cool tech.

Usually to send data you want a data channel and a clock channel. When the clock changes say from high to low you read the next bit in the data channel. With one LED to send info you need to combine them.

For transmission that's easy. You make the low to high change at a fixed frequency. For the high to low change if it's a zero you make the high to low change 1/3 the way through the cycle. For a 1 you make the change 2/3 the way through the cycle.

On the receiver you you sync up a signal at the same frequency rising with the start of the transmission at a 1/2 on 1/2 off. You look at the data when the reference falls 1/2 the way through the cycle.

If a zero was sent the line had fallen at the 1/3 and it is a zero. If a one was sent the line doesn't drop until 2/3 and it's a one.

The trick is how do you get a signal at the same frequency and in synch. You compare the transmission frequency revived to the frequency of a voltage controlled oscillator. If it's slower you up the voltage and increase the frequency if it's faster you lower the voltage and lower the frequency.

You similarly use a phase detector to determine if they are in phase slightly boosting the frequency until they are in sync.

This system is called a phased lock loop (pll). All this so you don't have to getup to change the channel. The same sort of system is used for reading data from the magnetic disk on a hard drive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

How did it generate that sound without batteries? Was it literally the audio from the clicking of the buttons? Genuine questions.

edit: Thanks for the several answers. They all seem prone to interference, but it is nice that they worked without power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

The button pressed a spring-loaded thing that struck a piece of metal, almost like a wind chime, emitting an ultrasonic note. I discovered by accident that I could make my parents' stereo change channels by clinking coins together.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Tuning forks!!! The Zenith clicker The buttons would work strikers that would hit tuned rods. A different one doing a different function.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Zenith Space Command remote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Buttons and springs would make it click loudly at a predicable frequency.

It's why remotes are often referred to as "clickers".

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Ice. As time has gone by, it has become less cool.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

The force is strong with this one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I will beat you to death with a wet piece of tissue.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

Before transistors there were vacuum tubes which did the same thing but using very different principles (and were also way bigger, even than traditional transistors and billions of times more than the transistors in the most modern ICs)

Before electric milling or even steam milling, flour used to be milled using watermills and windmills which, IMHO, are way cooler.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Steam millers sound way cooler than windmills

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
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Replying to this just so people are less likely to accidentally scroll past.

Completely agree, of course. I do miss Web 1.0, when you had to go to IRC, usenet, etc, for the "social" part.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

That and when you joined an IRC channel that had 20 people in it, it had 20 active people in it. You wouldn't leave your client connected 24/7 on dial-up; you were getting your money's worth

[–] [email protected] 47 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

Oh man...I have an entire ten page paper on the go about this topic and it just keeps growing. One day I'll publish it in a blog or something, but for now it's just me vomiting up my thoughts about mass market manufacturing and the loss of zeitgeist.

The examples that I always use are a) Camera Lenses, b) Typewriters, and c) watches.

Mechanical things age individually, developing a sort of Kami, or personality of their own. Camera lenses wear out differently, develop lens bokehs that are unique. Their apertures breath differently as they age No two old mechanical camera lenses are quite the same. Similarly to typewriters; usage creates individual characteristics, so much so that law enforcement can pinpoint a particular typewriter used in a ransom note.

It's something that we've lost in a mass produced world. And to me, that's a loss of unimaginable proportions.

Consider a pocket watch from the civil war, passed down from generation to generation because it was special both in craftsmanship and in connotation. Who the hell is passing their Apple Watch down from generation to generation? No one....because it's just plastic and metal junk in two years. Or buying a table from Ikea versus buying one made bespoke by your neighbour down the street who wood works in his garage. Which of those is worthy of being an heirloom?

If our things are in part what informs the future of our role in the zeitgeist, what do we have except for mounds of plastic scrap.

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