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Or by her participating that she is knowingly involving herself in a scam. Which, yeah, it's just books - but it's pretty obviously a pyramid.

No shame if you don't see how it's a scam, the cozy blanket and glass of wine are meant to throw you, and they chose 36 because it's a confusing enough number where you don't think too much about how it grows.

She gives one book to her upline. She then sends out post to 36 more people to give her 36 books. Each one of them then needs to find 36 people each, which is now 1296 people in that level if they each want 36 books. Thus the exponential pyramid. Of course there is zero way each of them will find that many people, let alone the levels below that. It's a scam that benefits those higher up, and the ones lower will likely not receive anything.

Of course she sees nothing wrong with that. She said "Sometimes I get books, sometimes I don't, that's just part of the game". Which... it's not a game when it's real money being passed around.

On top of that, whenever we see a pyramid scheme we should be stamping it out - hard. Folks, please spot the signs and point them out. Don't be afraid to comment on posts calling them out as scams.

Edit: To be clear the idea of a growing book exchange isn't a bad one, as explained in the comments though the way to make it not a scam is to make it 1:1. You either send a book and receive a book, or if they like the 36 number, you change it to "I'll send a book to whoever sends me a book!". Then it's a true book exchange.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At some point I feel it is just easier to go to the library. You need to return the books but they are also not random books the sender didn't want.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Local library might even have an ebook lending service, in which case, you wouldn't even need to go anywhere. And the ebooks automatically return themselves.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the ebooks automatically return themselves.

FUCK I've been wasting so many USB drives

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

USB drives? FUCK I’ve been printing them out on my inkjet to return.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

not only that, but if you chat up the librarians, they can usually turn you onto new books you'll enjoy. I've... been steered wrong like twice. And then it was a 'well you're either gonna love it or not, so, try it and tell me.' kind of thing.

also, take a look at all the other stuff the libraries are doing.... (well, my local library is phenomenal.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The aim of 'chatting up' seems different in a library :D

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

“Hey baby, are you a compelling new novel? Because I’d love to lose myself in your sheets. Like sheets of paper, you know, pages. I’m sorry, I’ll leave now.”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

...chat TO the librarians.

🤦

Keep it in your pants, man.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How do you expect to get a hot librarian gf if you don't hit on librarians?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm married to a librarian. Can I take it out of my pants once in a while?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Only if you do so quietly.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

If they wanted me to read about their scam, they shouldn't describe it over a stressful image of red wine and an open flame resting on a 1x6 on a beige couch.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I scrolled back up and was immediately overwhelmed with anxiety

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I'm just waiting for the cat to jump up on it and screw up everything.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you get a book back, it's not a scam because it's not designed for you to profit, either monetarily or materially. It's obviously misleading saying you'll get "up to" 36 books back, but that's not guaranteed and shouldn't be expected. If someone joined such an exchange (and it was trustworthy), they should think of it as a random book swap and expect to get a surprise book back in exchange for theirs. Anything extra is simply a bonus.

1 for 1: no one gets rich, and no one gets scammed, in theory...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If everyone is putting in one book, for you to get 36 books, 35 other people have to get 0 books.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a bizarre scheme, i would not want to receive 1296 books, let alone however many the top gets.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

You don't. You just get the "up to 36". It's not a pyramid scheme where the goods all flow to the top.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While the authenticity of this is dubious, I don't think OP knows what a pyramid scheme is...

Look up MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) schemes if you need a reference point.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

It's a pyramid scheme that doesn't appear to involve money.

An MLM for books would be charging for the books and an enrollment fee. Typically in a pyramid scheme the buy-in is the fee and nothing ever comes back to the enrollee that isn't enrollment fees from others.

In this case the books are the enrollment fee.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just because the stakes are low doesn't mean it's not a pyramid scheme. You buy in, and then you recruit others to buy in by paying you. Pyramid.

Now, if it was a ping that said "send me a book and I'll send you one back!" That would be a fun way to do a book exchange. But it's not, there's no reciprocation.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

You just know the 36 books you are going to get will be hotel bibles.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's a twofold scam.

One, because the person is buying new, it's driving up sales to a bunch of "confirmed" addresses, which is an important metric for Amazon sales.

Two, the "random" destination is a second customer's address, and the friend is being an unwitting proxy in a drop shipping scheme.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's a mild scam. More like chain letters used to be than Amway or something with a structure putting a bunch of wealth in the hands of one person. But, you're right. It's stupid, even if mostly harmless.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone else said, it may be to see who's likely to fall for more sinister scams, or a phishing scam to get people's addresses etc

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

There is an large electronic store near me. At the cash register they have "mystery boxes" where you can buy random shit that you don't know what you get, ranging from 10 to idk, 500 dollars. I always imagine every time someone buys irl lootcrates, they end up on some sort of list, because these people would buy anything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is what I was thinking at first. This just looks like classic chain letter.

But on rereading, it appears that the person at the top is controlling who's sending books to who, and might even be dictating where you buy the book from, which is definitely a scam.

My guess on how this works. Upon DMing the person in control, you're instructed to buy a book from a specific website (that they control) and have the book shipped directly from there to the "stranger.". However, "stranger" doesn't actually exist, no books are ever sent, and the person running this whole scam is just pocketing the money rubes spend on "books".

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a scam that benefits those higher up, and the ones lower will likely not receive anything.

Who is higher up? Who benefits from you buying 1 book to send to a random person and how? Maybe I don't even buy a new one; I just send out an old one I already had. Or is there more to it than the image shows and you're supposed to be buying a book from a specific supplier?

This seems more like a "pay it forward" gift exchange than a scam.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pay it forward would be fine if it was 1-1, you gift a book to one person and you get one in return. The scam is that you get people in thinking if they gift one they'll get more than one back. Of course they probably won't, it'll quickly collapse.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Pay it forward things aren't 1-1 either. You're not guaranteed to even get anything back yourself most of the time. It's just to feel good about yourself. Like paying for the people behind you at a drive-thru.

But I can see how this gives the impression that you will.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

but pay it forward can work in theory

this can't even work in theory because books entering the system 1 at a time and leaving the system 36 at a time requires 35 books to be conjured out of thin air

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I seen stuff like this before, and I think I know how it's supposed to work.

The "stranger" recruited the person who posted this to OP's friend as one of 6 people. Each of those 6 people recruit 6 others, who send the books to the stranger (their friend's friend), hence the 36. OP's friend will be asked to recruit 6 people in turn, and each of those recruit 6, who then send books to OP's friend.

I think it's a bit dodgy that they're being asked to buy new, but I'd be more concerned that these kind of schemes can be used to feel out who's likely to fall for more sinister scams, as people feel they're getting a lot back for very little.

Plus, it only takes a few levels (13 if my maths is right) before there are more (far more!) recruits needed than people on earth.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

How is money being made in this? I don’t get it. It’s books- not money.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Just get in the moment

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I kinda like this idea; on a one-to-one basis where the maths works out that is.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh this gave me a nice nostalgia hit! Back in the late 60s I think it was, there was a similar scheme where you sent a dollar to the address at the top of a list of ten names, added your name to the bottom of the list and sent the list to ten other people. There were various other chain letter things going around, threatening a curse if you didn't pass them on, but this was a specific cash one. I had quite an argument with the idiot who sent it to me - he said the chain wouldn't work if I broke it. You were supposed to end up with hundreds of dollars.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

That's a pyramid scheme

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that's more of a ponzi scheme that a pyramid scheme

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

This can be a marketing/scam strategy, you send a new book, and they send their marketed(marketing) or old (scam) book to your supposed secret friend, then re-sell your new book.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I'm confused. She's not giving one book to her upline she's sending it to some random. Then the 36 books are from strangers that she hasn't put any work into finding according to the post. That's not a pyramid scheme... If anything the original person who posted the picture is just doing a whole bunch of coordinating and work but your friend isn't. There are either details missing you haven't shared that contradict what this picture says or you are reading this wrong.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

"random" = upline

If everyone is giving just one book, how can get up to 36 books maximum. Technically, 0 books received still counts under "36 books maximum"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Of course there is zero way each of them will find that many people, let alone the levels below that. It’s a scam that benefits those higher up, and the ones lower will likely not receive anything.

And part of the scam is to tell people that there's still time to be one of the early higher ups scamming other people!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the only issue is this person not realising if you have 36 people buying 1 book and sending it, 36 people are not getting 36 books. They’re all getting one. Though, it could be a ring where you read then send, so you eventually cycle through to all 36. Issue there is reading speed varies so one person will end up a bottleneck but I mean yeah.

Either way, at this point just make a book club or go get friendly with your local librarian (I mean talk with them you perverts) and they can usually suggest books you would like but may not have chosen for yourself.

Edit: I understand it’s probably supposed to be a pyramid scheme but nowhere is it said in the picture you’re supposed to get other people to send you books and etc, just hey I’ll give you an address to send a book and you’re get a book(or 36).

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