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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago

The most relevant paragraph:

Now, using a new way of linking the clocks with ultra-fast lasers, researchers have shown that different kinds of optical atomic clocks can be placed a few kilometres apart and still agree within 1 part in 10¹⁸. This is just as good as previous measurements with pairs of identical clocks a few hundred metres apart, but about a hundred times more precise than achieved before with different clocks or large distances.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Tl;Dr They are trying to make a better atomic clock that could provide a more precise definition of a second then we currently have.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At first I was like: The second what?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This. Same... 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The second division of the hour.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can't wait for decimal time with 100,000 seconds/day /s

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Decimal time exists, thanks to the French Revolution.

There are 100 decimal seconds in a decimal minute, 100 minutes in a decimal hour, and 10 hours in a decimal day. Each second is slightly shorter than a SI second.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I know and nobody uses it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, there is no easy way to decimalise time for human use. If you make it useful for humans, it doesn't sync well to a day. If you make it sync to a day, the resulting units are awkward for the human mind.

Amusingly, for computers, time is decimalised! UTC is a fully metric time. It's just simpler to constantly remap to and from UTC to a user's time, than to train the user to use UTC.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For computers, Unix time is in binary. But yes.

However, humans can get used to longer/shorter seconds, minutes and hours. Arguing the opposite is like saying the meter would never work because it doesn't have a human body relation like feet. The problem is the sheer amount of documents, equipment and SI using the 24/60/60 system, and the indivisibility of 365.24.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I actually quite like this idea. Or we could start using number base 12 instead of 10 everywhere else.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

This would outdate centuries of equipment and scientific publications in the metric system.

A better idea is the International Fixed Calendar:

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always get a semi when this calendar is mentioned, I love it so much! Maybe someday, this is what we'll all be using.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the gentleman refers to his flagpole being at half-mast.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Oh that's sad. Who died?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Uh, hell no. There should be ten months a year, ten days in a month, and ten hours in a day, ten minutes in an hour... and we should all use artificial lighting with scheduled blackout blinds to make the daylight hours line up. Putting everyone in the world on the one true timezone.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Those would be long days... 87 (current) hours and 40 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the spirit, but it needs tweaking. Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec need to go back to being 7, 8, 9, & 10, respectively. Also, make the leap day at the end of the final month to keep all the weeks starting on the same day of the week.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

29 June would be another non-weekday, much like Year Day.

Which months would you (re)move to adjust Sep-Dec to 7-10? Personally, I would just rename all of them but no idea what they should be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

29 June would be another non-weekday, much like Year Day.

That works for me!

Which months would you (re)move to adjust Sep-Dec to 7-10?

I would get rid of July and August because I don't care for the Caesars. I guess we could expand the format and have a Quinquember and Sexamber.

Personally, I would just rename all of them but no idea what they should be.

Sounds like a fun idea to do with friends and keep it going as a running joke!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It doesn't show on the calendar, but the description already said each month ends on a Sunday, so 29 June is a Sunday.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'll likely happen once we move to living mostly in space (if we survive that long ofc)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

With a full switch to metric, hopefully. We’ve lost a Mars probe to unit confusion already.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is this like when they made the kilogram some function of the speed of light instead of the weight of a metal ball in a French museum?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They linked the kilogram to the gravitational force.

It's part of an effort to clarify how we define things. We're now trying to link our recorded units to the basic forces they are related to. So now, the kilogram is defined by the gravitational force, the meter by how fast light travels, etc etc

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The kilogram is defined as the mass equivalent of a photon of a specific energy via the Planck constant h thus linking the speed of light and the frequency of the hyperfine level of caesium-133. The relative uncertainty of the measured value of the gravitational constant G is 10^-5 which would lead to a definition of the kilogram that has a worse relative uncertainty than using the former definition defined via an international prototype. The Wikipedka article is more detailed than this short summary.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

TiL

I knew about redifining the kilogram as it's related to gravity beforehand

But not the next part about kg and photons and planck etc etc. I learned all that just now by reading a response to my comment

I genuinely did not know about the relationship to light until just now.

So, yes. But again, your comment alone didn't help me understand about the relationship beforehand. I wasn't sure what you meant at all, so just responded with my understanding of it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I misread that as "meat ball", and now I'm kind of disappointed that we don't use meatballs as a standard unit. "I'm 6 meatball subs and 3 balls high", "The yacht is about 18 giant party subs long", etc.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately this is a bit like the imperial system where you get multiple units of measurement. There is the standard foot-long, which is twelve inches, and there is the $5 foot-long™, which is only 11 inches

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not exactly. The kilogram was redefined in a fundamentally different way, moving from an artifact, which will change with time, to a fundamental property of nature, that as far as anyone knows, will be the same at all times. The second was already defined in such a way. Any such definition still requires some sort of measurement though to get something usable. Different ways of measuring the same type of definition can be more precise, and in this redefinition they think they've found a more precise method that works in the same fundamental manner. Both measure the oscillation rate of atoms, but the proposed element is thought to give better precision.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Could you be more specific?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Would this affect our lives on Earth?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Most likely indirectly, like how GPS has to account for satellites not matching the passage of time on earth due to relatively.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

You can now be more accurately late for work. Or your coffee is more accurately taking a long time to come out.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If they can predict earthquakes and eruptions more accurately, as suggested in the article, then yes for all the people who don’t die.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Relativistically.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I better not have to buy a new watch because of this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Wont that fuck up the other measures that use the second as a basis?

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