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I don't fit very well with the idea of masculinity. I'm just a goofy nerd with a gentle personality and the desire to make others happy. I have always wanted to look soft and approachable; I have smooth, rounded facial features, wavy hair, big glasses, and a clean-shaven face. My personality is utterly non-threatening. I love caring for people, I enjoy being silly and whimsical, I'm a bit clumsy and get flustered easily, I wouldn't hurt a fly (unless I had to), and I'm polite to a fault. My paradise is a warm, cozy, quiet safe haven surrounded by cute plushies.

I'm not manly in the slightest, and I love being that way. I'm a total softie through and through, and I purposely align my appearance with my personality. I look gentle because I am gentle.

I have always been treated differently than my male peers. Many people are inexplicably nicer or softer on me even if they barely know me. Female friends have fawned over me, calling me things like "cute," "adorable," and "sweetheart," and expressing a desire to protect me. And I love it. I don't find it offensive or infantilizing at all.

Through extensive introspection, I later figured out that care and nurturing are incredibly attractive to me, and the funny tickle I felt whenever I was shown care and protection by my female friends was actually a subtle tinge of attraction. It's rather curious that my personality and gender expression just happened to develop in such a way to subconsciously solicit that kind of attention.

This is all well and good, but I worry that this makes me categorically unsexy due to my intentional suppression of gendered characteristics and desire to give off pure, wholesome vibes. Could I really be sexually desirable if I'm the kind of person who apologizes to trees for bumping into them? Some women have even teasingly called me a "Christian" or "virgin" because of this perceived innocence, suggesting that some people do indeed associate my personality with sexual restraint or abstinence.

In reality, I absolutely do want a sexual relationship, and I have always imagined myself treating a partner with the same gentle caregiving energy that I myself crave. I don't do "naughty" or "dominant"; I would view a partner's body as something to passionately take care of, not something to tease or conquer.

I would appreciate some outside perspective on this. Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

Yes now get off social media.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

Dont write off masculinity altogether, it's not inherently negative and doesnt just mean being an aggressive gymbro.

Not gonna give ya any specifics, but I know as I've gotten older, the best parts of me are are traits i try to balance the masculine and feminine elements to work in concert, like ying and yang.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

You are living during the time of masculine emancipation my friend. Men are allowed to be cute af these days and more and more women are catching on that this is a good thing. Some of the guys I know who register this way have found a lot of success dating in the non-binary scene where gender expectations are more generally negotiable. Non-binary circles are encircled with exterior connections of cis communities who have a more dynamic understanding of gender so if you are in a market to find likeminded souls that's where I would look.

And also... Cute is sexy. It's not everyone's vibe but there's definitely a desire out there for true gentlemen emphasis on the gentle. Most of the cis ones I know are married to ride or die partners whom exude an aura of sweetness out to 20ft.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't have the guts to post when I first read this, but as someone who like Hello Kitty, Power Puff Girls, Totally Spies, and many other cute things, it feels pretty damn good knowing I'm not alone. Your post is very relatable to me. Society paints this weird picture, I think—but damn, so what if I think it would be nice if a girl wanted to give ME flowers? I like flowers!

Fuck society, @[email protected] ! Let's live our way!

Thanks for making my week. 🙂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Hell yeah, friend! My cute shows were Pokemon, MLP FiM, and Hamtaro! And I imagine myself getting all blushy and giggly if a girl kissed me. This whole stoicism thing is overrated; I want to be turned into a blubbering mess!

When people like us are brave enough to express themselves out in the open, that is how change happens. It is through our influence that we normalize and validate the existence of like-minded people and inspire them to stand up alongside us. By virtue of simply existing and interacting with others, we nudge society ever so slightly in the direction of acceptance.

The tenderness in your soul is something incredibly precious. It is the power to heal, the power to bring joy, and the power to create harmony. It is the power to touch hearts and change lives. Don't ever let anyone ever convince you that it's a weakness. It is the most valuable treasure one can ever possess.

I'm honored to have given you a little bit of the validation that you deserve. Differences are what make us interesting and memorable to others, and intolerant people don't deserve the time of day. Once I stopped self-censoring to appease them, I was able to connect with so many more people. The benefits far outweighed the risks. I hope that you someday find the courage to express yourself in front of others too, if you haven't already.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Fuck this "manliness" bullshit. Wear a skirt. Punch anyone who makes a thing of it. You do you, boss and you do it to be happy with yourself. Nobody else gets to decide that. Nobody.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago

Sure, you can be whatever kind of man you want. You probably won’t find a lot of … “conventionally attractive” women who are into that though

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I fundamentally disagree with your premise. Being caring, vulnerable, gentle is in no way incompatible with being manly. All require a lot of courage, strength, and intelligence. I do not think that manliness should be defined by its most toxic representatives.

I also heard an interesting take on this: we technically do not have a definition of what “manliness” means, as currently society is built around hating and oppressing women. Boys are told “don’t be a girl”, pretty much - don’t cry, don’t be ‘emotional’, don’t compromise, etc.

I think you should be grateful that you weren’t indoctrinated into being an abuser and instead managed to become a “real man”.

If you have trouble breaking the friendship barrier, consider getting in touch and expressing your romantic side more, because the qualities you describe are super attractive

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

I used the word "manly" here as a shorthand for traditional masculinity, which I assumed was how it's used colloquially; I don't mean to assert that men are defined by traditional masculinity. My concern (more like blind superstition) is that a preference for many of those features (minus the misogyny) are biologically wired, and that having very few of these characteristics is inherently unattractive to most male-attracted people. It's a fear that traditional masculinity is an inescapable standard and opting out leads to extreme difficulty in finding relationships. I asked this question because I want evidence that it's safe to ignore gender roles entirely.

I think you should be grateful that you weren’t indoctrinated into being an abuser

Funnily enough, I kind of was. I was raised by far right extremists whose beliefs were so obviously evil and cruel that I sought outside information through the Internet as a teen. Most of what I saw there was right-leaning, but far less openly bloodthirsty, so it was more palatable to me to consume. But because of this, I deeply internalized right-wing social constructs, including most of the lies about women that are used to justify misogyny and patriarchy.

This programming socially stunted me. I hated myself because I didn't live up to masculine standards and I was bullied for it at home and school. I wasn't interested in women because I was indoctrinated into believing they were helpless damsels who wanted to be controlled, which, especially seeing my parents' abusive relationship, felt grossly exploitative to me. I decided to just lay low and be polite, accepting that I was inferior due to my lack of machismo.

Even though I avoided others and had no confidence, I still had people, mostly women, who wanted to reach out and get to know me. They praised the softer traits that I tried to hide, and I found myself admiring many of their tough and protective personality traits. That deprogrammed me from gender norms, but only for platonic connections. Whether or not it was safe to ditch gender norms for romantic connections was an open question for me. So getting helpful feedback to this question has helped boost my confidence on that a lot!

My brother, unfortunately, never challenged his programming. He tells me that all women are the same, they all want to be ruled over by men, and LGBTQ+ women are straight people in denial. A few weeks ago, he literally killed his girlfriend's cat for "misbehaving." Instead of breaking up, they just casually replaced the cat with a different one. So yeah, the people I grew up around are so unhinged that it radicalized me into becoming normal.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Two thoughts on this:

  1. There are probably way more men out there than you think that feel very similar, but are ashamed to be open about this, especially towards male peers, and therefore build a facade of manly manliness that doesn't reflect their actual personality.

  2. There are probably way more women out there than you think that like exactly this personality. Dude, a lot of women like women. Women are usually not very manly. So if there are enough women liking women, there are enough women liking dudes like you. Don't worry. Lots of women aren't attracted to macho-type guys at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago

there is a billion dollar market for boy bands all over the globe, all of whom have a member who looks like your description.

In aesthetics - yes, people of all genders and orientations like that look/style in their chosen inamorata.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 14 hours ago

This is how you end up in an abusive relationship....

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Here's the top 3 things that the Lemmy community loves the most:

  1. Linux
  2. The though of elon musk getting hit with a blue shell in Mario kart
  3. Femboys

So you're good

(jokes aside any aestethic choice will be attractive to some people and a turn off for others, so you might as well be whatever makes you feel good)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Woman here, you sound cute. in a good way <3

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't feel bad for being cute, you do you - which also may or may not be the dream of a woman 1+ ft. taller than you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Alas, that's a tough find given that I'm over 6 feet tall, but the idea of a shorter woman making herself taller to kiss my forehead (by standing on a step or stool) somehow became even more appealing to me lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Not so uncommon a situation as you might assume, there are plenty of shortstacks willing to work with the height discrepancy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Leaning into this will probably garner attention from the right sort of women for you. The ones attracted to "traditional masculinity" (which is kind of a trap in some respects anyway) probably wouldn't be attracted to you sexually in the first place, based on what you describe here. So you don't really lose anything by what you plan to do. Go for it!

And if anyone gives you guff about it, tell them to fuck off (or whatever response appropriate to your vibe, but carrying a similar message, works best).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

You do you. Someone will love you and it's better that they love you than a you you're pretending to be.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes you can! I’m quite the same way and you may enjoy checking out [email protected] :3

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aww you're always posting cute stuff like this on Lemmy. Keep up the cuteness haha!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Aww thank you! I'll try <3

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

A term for a similarly related self-appraisal popped up in the early 2000s of Metrosexual. Obviously it has faded, but was for a time a steadfast declaration by plenty of men at the time (I was one of them). I'm old now so my pulse on such things has waned - but hell yeah, brother - you do you! That's always attractive imo.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Yes you can! There are many straight femboys for example

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I am certainly not in your target demographic, and personally yeah it would be a turnoff but it would be really stupid for you to try to change and be unhappy - you don't need everyone to appreciate you in a romantic way, you only need a few admirers, right?

Looking at the people my kids date (more likely your age) they don't seem to have the preference for "manly men", none of them. They like guys who are not afraid to be soft, not afraid to wear nail polish or look 'girly' or whatever, they seem to find guys who do the Masculine thing actively off-putting. So you are in a good cultural moment I'd say. I think you will do fine being yourself, also never think it's a weakness to be gentle and caring. Most people want to be taken care of to some extent, just make sure this isn't a one-way thing, you take care of them too.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

bro that is manly as fuck. keep doing you because it's hella manly to be gentle and caring and nurturing.

you need to stop worrying about all that "not alpha/sigma male = not attractive" self-doubt. you also need to stop worrying about your attractiveness. you're already attractive to some people. just find people you really enjoy hanging out with one on one, and eventually you'll land a partner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This. Exactly this.

Trying to be what others consider desirable or normal is really just a kind of lack of strength in your own personality. True strength is when you can be yourself, don't pretend and simply live the way you want to be. Your friends will be true friends because they will know you without pretense. Anyone who doesn't find you attractive in this way is the wrong partner.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a man, men think women care about looks more than they do.

Looks are much bigger for men than for women.

Obviously a massive generalisation, but in general. Like "men are physically stronger than women". Not all men are stronger than women but...

Anyway.

Looks really don't matter that much. I'd say women pay more attention to personality with the same difference as there is between how much men value looks vs how women value looks.

Also, if I was being very crude, I'd say "status" is the "looks" for women. That's what you get very beautiful women with older rich men more than you do young hot men with old riches women.

But I'd like not to be crude so disregard that last bit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I can't speak for all women, but looks for me are a yes/no binary, but a primary filter. So if a guy looks good enough, attractive to me, then I can be attracted to him if he's attractive in other ways. But there's no bonus for better than good enough, better looking doesn't matter at all. It is quite important - nobody has ever moved out of the appearance "no" bucket into the "yes". But there is no 1-10 scaling, no consideration beyond the yes/no, I'm never going to be more attracted to a man just because he's gorgeous.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Theres a fish for every net, my friend

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Cute? like a baby turtle!!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You are attractive, probably very attractive. Your post makes it clear to me. You receive attention of multiple women, and some of them are even making advances on you. Manly men are in crisis, in my opinion. Feminism all around is putting the concept of the manly man in question, and you, my friend, are the next step, like the X-men mutant to the human being.

In any case, what's a man, anyway? They will tell you all kinds of zombie answers. As someone raised by women and two absent masculine figures, I just don't get it. Learned to set limits with bullies the bad way, always taking advantage of the situation cowardly, but effectively, and I don't regret kicking them while they were on the floor. What I mean is, if it works for you being all cute, be cute by all means, but if you want to have sex, be all the cute you want saying that seriously; otherwise, people, women, will take you for a prude, maybe even gay, and I don't know why, but that's been my experience.

Be yourself. Don't let other men show off by demeaning you, don't let women think you're some kind of a monk, especially the ones you are attracted to. Those are the limits.

EDIT: just to clarify, there's nothing wrong with being gay, but it hardly works to project that idea if you want to get intimate with the opposite sex.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Well you appeal to most women? No. Will you appeal to some women? Absolutely.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I would say most women is not a useful metric tbh. Most women they encounter in their social circles will likely find them attractive, however.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (9 children)

What is your "most women" based on, personal experience?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bi and pan girls have entered the chat.

Behind every golden retriever boyfriend is a black cat girlfriend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Oh I am well aware. My current FWB is pan and I am not a manly man's man. She is obsessed with me even though I do not fit the description of traditional masculinity.

I make her laugh and climax (not always in that order) so my physical appearance is pretty much irrelevant. It's a wonderful thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just wanted to say that our modern ideas of masculinity are far from universal and largely ahistorical. It's okay to be exactly who you are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation

Coined by British psychologist John Flügel in 1930, it is considered a major turning point in the history of clothing in which the men relinquished their claim to adornment and beauty. Flügel asserted that men "abandoned their claim to be considered beautiful" and "henceforth aimed at being only useful".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Not only can you do that, in some circles you will need to wear a lifejacket to keep from drowning in pussy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Good sir,

The yoga community is starved for healthy male presence (practice at most studios as a man and you will be a distinct minority).

This community values the same gentle and nurturing approach you have realized that you embody. The fact that you are introspective, respectful and self aware just makes it an even better fit for what you describe.

I cannot think of a place more accepting of individual differences and the persona you describe would be very welcome in those spaces.

I wouldn’t recommend this to someone who was just a pussy-hound, it wouldn’t be welcomed.

Yoga is a sex-positive and body-positive philosophy that doesn’t focus directly on sex usually, but instead helps one become a more rounded person, part of which is healthy relationships that may include physical intimacy.

You seem to understand boundaries and respect. So this suggestion is more about how to build the kind of community where your unique gifts are valued.

I have built many valuable relationships through my practice, most all non-romantic but all very supportive. From that foundation however, my more intimate relationships have improved immensely too.

My two cents

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Gonna put this out there because nobody else has said it but you might want to glance over at @[email protected] and see how things relate to you. You are perfectly within your rights to be a lesbian if you would prefer that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Rather than worry about trying to be universally attractive to everyone, think about the type of partner you want to be attractive to. There's certainly no shortage of potential partners who are into that. Anyone who isn't wouldn't be the right fit for you anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Be outgoing and funny and you’ll find what you need. Hell, most likely it’ll come to you. You wouldn’t want one of those chicks who fawn over those “masculine” man-children anyway.

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