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[–] [email protected] 148 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

I mean, some of those EOLed nearly a decade ago.

You can argue over what a reasonable EOL is, but all hardware is going to EOL at some point, and at that point, it isn't going to keep getting updates.

Throw enough money at a vendor, and I'm sure that you can get extended support contracts that will keep it going for however long people are willing to keep chucking money at a vendor -- some businesses pay for support on truly ancient hardware -- but this is a consumer broadband router. It's unlikely to make a lot of sense to do so on this -- the hardware isn't worth much, nor is it going to be terribly expensive to replace, and especially if you're using the wireless functionality, you probably want support for newer WiFi standards anyway that updated hardware will bring.

I do think that there's maybe a good argument that EOLing hardware should be handled in a better way. Like, maybe hardware should ship with an EOL sticker, so that someone can glance at hardware and see if it's "expired". Or maybe network hardware should have some sort of way of reporting EOL in response to a network query, so that someone can audit a network for EOLed hardware.

But EOLing hardware is gonna happen.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 week ago (3 children)

all hardware is going to EOL at some point, and at that point, it isn't going to keep getting updates

EOLing hardware should be handled in a better way

Both of these are solved by one thing: open platforms. If I can flash OpenWRT on to an older router then it becomes useful again.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bingo.

Either support the device until the heat death of the universe, or provide consumers with the access to maintain it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But neither of those help corporations make them all the money. So we need regulation to force them to.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Regulation? I think you mean "guillotines"...

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Definitely don’t this in the past (Linksys WRT54G!) but let’s be honest, the kind of people running 10yo Dlink routers aren’t going to flash new firmware, let alone OpenWRT or even know to look for it. It would have to come that way from the factory. And even then I doubt most people even do regular updates, sadly.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the correct reaction to old home equipment.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Right?

Something this old is going to be power inefficient compared to newer stuff, and simply not perform as well.

I would know, I just booted up a 10 year old consumer router last night, because the current one died. It'll be OK for a few days until I can get a replacement. Boy, is this thing slow.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think there should be a handoff procedure, or whatever you want to call it.

As EOL approaches, work with whatever open router OS maker is available (currently OpenWRT) to make sure it's supported, and configs migrate over nicely. Then drop one last update, designed to do a full OS replacement.

Boom, handoff complete.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

I’d support a regulation that defines either an expiration date or commitment to open source at the time the hardware is sold.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

EoL of anything should mean open source code. You don't want to open source your code? Then you must keep servicing your products and must keep your servers up

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

When the users are in control of the software running on their devices then "EOL" is dependent the user community's willingness to work on it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I can still use a 2003 AMD Opteron with the newest builds of Linux. It's an open standard. As long as the hardware still physically works. The only reason these pieces of hardware are EOL is because they chose to lock them down.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree. Buy a new router that isn't Dlink.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The DSR-150 is still being sold on Amazon under the D-Link store. Why the hell would you end of life something you still sell.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Don't want to get lumbered with a bunch of old stock now, do you?

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Okay so the 2015 EOL ones, yeah I can understand telling the customer to update their shit. They shouldn't have to support nearly 10 year out of date stuff.

May 2024 EOL ones? Bruh. C'mon now.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

I would love to know when they stopped selling it compared to the EOL. EOL should be at least 5 years past the last time the models were shipped out, maybe more. So if May 2024 was EOL I sure hope they weren't selling them after 2018.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There right you and i should just buy a new one

Of a diffrent brand

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Be nice if companies had to open source firmware they are going to EoL.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Be nice?

It must become.law. we want to lower e-waste? Yen if companies stop supporting their products, het must open source all of it

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not going to hold my breath that anything like this will happen in the current political climate, but yeah, that should be mandatory. Even ignoring the exploitive nature towards their customers, it creates a ton of unnecessary waste.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Exactly. As a consumer, when I buy a product, I'm not just buying the state of things at the time, I'm buying with an expectation of ongoing support. If they choose to not support it themselves, I should be able to support it myself.

In the old days, hardware came with schematics, so when the manufacturer warranty ended, customers could repair things themselves. That should extend to software as well, since software is just as much a part of the functioning of a device as capacitors and whatnot.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Welp never buying anything D-Link ever again

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Long ago, D-Link was good but then they sold the company. Just like Alienware, Farbreware, Oaklies, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

don't buy shit unless it runs openwrt or whatever

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Our shit sucks. Buy more lol

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

there should be list of companies that should be avoided and why, its impossible to keep track of everything like this

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An idea for an app I came up with for a class once was one that let you scan a barcode of a product in like Walmart and get what parent company owns it, like how Nestle doesn't like to put their name on companies they bought (or not in big text anyways).
So if you want to avoid Coca Cola you could scan it and see who it's owned by and if that company matches one of the ones you have blacklisted

Fun fact, 'peace tea' is owned by coca cola

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

There's an app called 'buycott' that does exactly that!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I mean this is pretty standard in all industries regardless of whether it's a software flaw or a physical flaw in any other kind of product. What's the likelihood of a vacuum manufacturer replacing a part in a 15 year old product that had a 1 year warrantee even if it's a safety issue? Sure the delivery and installation is cheaper with software, but the engineering and development isn't, especially if the environment for building it has to be recreated.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I work for a manufacturer with part catalogues going back to 1921, and while the telegraph codes no longer work, you could absolutely still order up a given part, or request from us the engineering diagram for it to aid in fabricating a replacement. You can also request service manuals, wiring diagrams, etc. Don't all half-decent manufacturers do this?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Don't all half-decent manufacturers do this?

No. That is phenomenally uncommon. To the point it's almost unheard of.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Yes they do, but half decent manufacturers are extremely rare.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (10 children)

This is why a number of countries have laws saying spare parts must be made available for a number of years past being sold. Well beyond what the warranty is.

How is this significantly different?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What you're saying is perfectly reasonable, but also doesn't apply here because they're still selling this router new on the D-link Amazon store.

If you're going to stop supporting a product, you should also stop selling it.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

but does it run openwrt?

e: no it doesn't, only one model had half-baked image made and available for download from some sketchy forum post made in 2014

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Can highly recommend ASUS, most of their models can be flashed with custom firmware that is supported beyond EOL. And their EOL cycle is also pretty long.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Cool, so what brand is a good one to replace D-Link with?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I moved to an OPNsense router a couple of years ago and I’ve never looked back. Hell is shitty consumer routers.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Commodity hardware & open source software for the win.

When my Western Digital NAS was never going to get critical security patches, I was so freaking glad to find out that they just used software raid... I threw the HDDs in a Debian server and never looked back.

It's certainly nice to have things that are turn-key, but if you can find your way around any OS, just avoid proprietary everything.

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