this post was submitted on 13 Apr 2024
618 points (96.5% liked)

Technology

59421 readers
2932 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The software maker will use the Recommended section of the Start menu, which usually shows file recommendations, to suggest apps from the Microsoft Store.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 216 points 7 months ago (22 children)

Well, of course. I mean it's not like you paid for a Microsoft Windows license when you bought your computer, so obviously they have to advertise to financially support it. If you're getting something for free, you're the product.

...

...

...

Wait, I'm being told that when people buy computers with Windows installed, they are, in fact, paying for a Windows license, too.

So this is actually Microsoft trying to turn products they've already sold into continuous revenue streams at the cost of usability and customer happiness.

In other news, apropos of nothing in particular, Steam on Linux is working really well these days, with lots of AAA titles running just fine via Proton. Make of that what you will...

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Kernel level anticheat for a few games is the only real speedbump I'm aware of, and it's only on a couple of game franchises like CoD I think. I would love it a ton of people made the switch and it hurt those games' companies revenue noticeably enough that they look for a way to moderate cheating without just lazily requiring Windows in order to play online.

Linux is finally convenient enough to realistically steal swaths of customers from Microsoft, and it's at the same time that Windows 11 is pissing a ton of people off. We're in for some strange times.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Kernel-level anti-cheat" is just company talk for rootkit. I'll pass.

I doubt that it reliably stops DMA boards anyway.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

I posted this in another thread but it doesn't, DMA boards are capable of spoofing other PCIE device IDs which was one of the few ways vanguard used to detect DMA boards. Realistically the only anti cheat that actually works are replay based community voted convictions such as counter strike's overwatch.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are way too many games out there for me to care anymore. Once i build my new PC, its Linux only. If it doesn't run on Linux, I don't need to play it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

I’m also looking forward to when game companies try to add kernel level anti cheat to Linux/s

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Generally People don't give a shit. Ive learned you gotta use the same tactics as windows and shove it in their face. My parents think they have been using windows for over a year now but I secretly installed Linux mint on their systems made it look like windows. They haven't even fucking noticed they only use a browser for emails and Facebook. When my friends ask me to help build their PC and bring a windows os I bring a Linux os and say its all I will install and troubleshoot

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (20 replies)
[–] [email protected] 89 points 7 months ago (15 children)

who would click that

who clicks ads in general

have you ever clicked an ad (on purpose)

[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I have never, not once in my life, clicked on an internet or electronic ad. Even for things I'm ostensibly interested in. Jury's out on just how much manically SEO optimized retail web sites on Google count as "ads," I guess. But other than that: Zilch.

But someone somewhere must be clicking on them because billions of dollars are spent every year pushing the fucking things.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm so skewed this direction that I'll scroll past the sponsored version of the link in a Google search to click on the exact, unsponsored version. I don't know why.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

There’s been malware pretending to be legit links that get pushed to the top by being sponsored links. It’s a great idea to never click on sponsored links.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (14 replies)
[–] [email protected] 74 points 7 months ago

Ads were already there for years - for Facebook, TikTok, Candy Crush, and who knows what else.

I would say this is embarrassingly unprofessional, but the truth is this is just normal these days - normalized by Facebook and Android - and I'm just old and used to better software.

I switched to Linux the same year they appeared.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Microsoft is the school bully who keeps shoving you and saying: "what are you gonna do about it?"

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Risk toying in the registry to kill it, of course 🏴‍☠️

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago

i've been testing not using windows ever again. since 2004.

it's great.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How long until we get 10sec unskippable ad on bootup, please make it fast Micro$oft.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I already basically get that half the time I boot into windows after an update. They say “let’s finish setting up your PC” and try to get you to pay for one drive, office, even game pass.

I’m so glad gaming on Linux has gotten to such a good state. I barely ever boot into windows now. (The “ad” on boot up is probably only once every few months, but that’s about as often as I boot into windows).

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Linux never looked so good!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Or templeOS.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Ah finally, Windows and Cheap chinese android phone have something in common. Ads in their built in ~~bloatwares~~ apps.

load more comments (19 replies)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m ok with promoted spots in a store, but in the core OS UI, fuck that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This actually touches on a major issue with digital content and software as a service compared to the old models, that people don't seem to quite grasp.

It used to be you'd walk into a store, buy a thing, and leave. Businesses could only sell to you while you're in the store. There was a clear delineation.

What we've seen over the last couple decades is the increasing invasion of the store into your home. These businesses don't want you to ever leave the store. You are meant to be living in it, at all times. There can never be any true escape unless you disconnect from the internet and disengage with modern technology.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Don’t worry, I’m sure there will be “pro” version that you can pay extra for no ads.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago

This isn't an ad, it's a suggested result from one of our partners

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

“Microsoft has been experimenting with ads inside Windows for more than 10 years.”

*sigh*

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

With Windows 10, you had much more control over the start menu. Windows 11 is further eroding control. That's why they absolutely refuse to allow you to disable the Recommended section.

The ability to disable it is present in the OS, but it's restricted to Enterprise versions. Disabling an unneeded and annoying UI element is a Premium feature now. And as everyone said when they made that clear a few months ago, "that's where the ads will go".

They'll probably let you disable them, at least for now. But the fact you can't disable the place for the ads is telling. We'll see how they feel about letting you disable those ads in a few years.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

thats been happening since win10

get linux if you are that bothered about this

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (6 children)

And yet, I haven't seen it once on any of my computers 🤷

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (6 children)

That's the magic of setting up a local account instead of a Microsoft account and actually turning shit off during the install sequence instead of just mindlessly clicking next. That said, I'm not sure you can do first time setup on Win11 with a local account. I know Win10 made it harder later on than on release. You can still set one up after the fact, but I'm not sure how useful it is on 11 since I refuse to install it.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

the next logical step is 10s ads before launching any program

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Drink verification can to unlock your PC"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ah yes….Linux!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

One of the most hated features of Windows 10 and they removed it just to add it back later lmao. They deffo had this planned all along and knew it would hurt their already terrible upgrade rates if they added it from the start

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Windows is becoming more of a shit show everyday, comically so. Glad I finally installed Linux Mint today. I've used Windows exclusively up until now and just quit cold turkey, putting Mint on my daily driver. I was hesitant to upend my computer habits by swapping OS, but I should have done this ages ago. I'm sure I'll run into some kind of issue sooner than later, but I'll take a technical problem over one manufactured by a corporation's greed any day.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just moved away from Windows 11 to Nobara. Enough is enough.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Interesting how most comments state gaming is the only thing pushing linux adoption back. May be true... for gamers.

But yeah, granny probably wouldn't notice Mint if all she does is browser the web.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Granny doesn't need a PC anymore. That's what's hurting Microsoft more than anything and why they're desperate to generate more Windows revenue.

Smartphones and tablets have eliminated the need for 3 PCs per household. Linux is growing in market share, but that has more to do with the number of new Windows machines decreasing than a massive growth in Linux.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

lol windows

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

they really are trying to fuck themselves over, aren't they?

i'm gonna switch as soon as game devs realize linux needs anticheat support.

and i know a lot of people who don't care what operating system they run as long as they can use their web browser on it.

load more comments
view more: next ›