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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I think it became inevitable that traditional 'sites' were going to be in trouble once AI bots gained ground. The user interface is much more organic / user friendly, given that it can be conversational.

It's why big corps were so quick to start building walls/moats around the technology. If end users had control over what sites their AI bots used to pull information from, that'd be a win for the consumer/end-user, and potentially legitimate news sites depending on how the payment structure is sorted out. Eg. Get a personalized bot that references news articles from a curated list of trusted / decent journalist sites across a broad political spectrum, and you'd likely have a really great "AI assistant" to keep you up to date on various current events. This sort of thing would also represent an existential threat to things like Googles core marketing business, as end users could replace many of their 'searches' with a curated personalized AI assistant trained on just reputable sources.

Big tech wants to control that, so that they can advertise via those bots / prioritize their own agenda / paid content. So they want to control the AI sources, and restrict end users' ability to filter garbage. If users end up primarily interacting with an AI avatar, and you can control the products / information that avatar presents, you have a huge amount of control over the individuals and their spending habits. Not much of a surprise.

It'd be cool to see a user friendly local LLM that allowed users to point it at reference sites of their choosing. Pair that with a news-site data standard that streamlines the ability to pull pertinent data, and let news agencies charge a small fee for access to those APIs to fund it a bit. Shifting towards LLM based data delivery, they could even potentially save a bit in terms of print / online publications -- don't need a fancy expensive user-facing web app, if they're all just talking to their LLM-based model-hot AI assistant anyway.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

With what passes for news these days at most outlets I can't say I feel too bad for them that someone else beat them at their own game of feeding the masses surface level doom scrolling slop for engagement and ad impressions.

Hell, a large chunk of the junk being put out by these same outlets is trash written by the AI solutions they are paying for. Probably solutions from the likes of Google that is giving it to them at both ends.

Once the snake finishes eating its own tail maybe the good reporters will still have somewhere that pays them for the good work they do.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, they did it to themselves buying into the rage bait bullshit they've been doing for years.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

One of the problems that the major news outlets have is that they repeat each other. It's not merely an issue of AI compiling news stories, but that on top of the fact that all of these newspapers are doing hardly any research. For example, if you live in a town that's not too large, there might only be one local paper, and they might send out reporters to local events. Obviously you would then go to that newspaper if you wanted to learn about local events, because they are adding explicit value.

But if you're trying to read about national politics, a lot of the information is going to be the same in a lot of the newspapers. Which means nobody cares about the newspaper itself. And this is a creation of the newspaper's own decision making over the past few decades.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd say their decision making was mostly forced by their drop in ad revenue and subscriptions forced by the internet.

Though I do wish that someone would make a Spotify for news so that I could pay once and get access to all of them and at least give them 10 cents per article or something, because I will never pay the subscription cost any are asking.

As much as I'd like to support them, the price to utility ratio is way the fuck off at the prices they ask now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That’s kinda what Apple News+ is but stuck in their walled garden.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

It's also the speed of news now. When you had a edition a day in print there was time to do research.

Now with instant publishing on the web it's more important to get the basic story out fast. With the hope it's the one that sites like reddit pickup.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 3 days ago (12 children)

People really trust it? Like it’s been so wrong on things for me, I automatically skip to search results past it. Why bother anymore

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

People on Twitter regularly go “@grok is this true” to everything and trust the AI to be correct.

The same AI that said the fresh photo of National Guard members sleeping on the floor was from 2021…

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

people still on twitter are complete, brain washed idiots... so this behaviour tracks

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

google search has been trash even before llms, i believe its one of the reasons chatgpt got so much traction. first 2 pages are just generic slop with paywalled or ad-infested content.

i switched to kagi 2 years ago and its has relevant results on page 1 that i won’t get in google even after 10s of pages. plus i don’t bombed with ads for that term for weeks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

they purposefully fucked up the search so people would have to click more pages to find their answer, giving google a chance to display more ads.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

I use extensions to block AI results... having to skip past them is annoying

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Which is such a shortsighted move because as soon as all the news portals close shop Google's scraper will have nothing relevant to summarize and is gonna be shit.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nothing is stopping the AI summaries from using social media as the primary source

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can't wait for Google to AI-summarize AI-generated social media posts for artificial Google users created to hike ad prices. It's gonna be wild

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The robots only want to hang out with the robots.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (6 children)

So social media are news outlets now. Good. Glad we cleared that up.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

That’s when Google will buy what ever is left of Condé Nast or Buzzfeed at bottom dollar and start using more AI to shit out “news”.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

they will be using that opportunity to make up the truth they want.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Watch his recent interview with Nilay Patel from The Verge. Watching him dance around questions about this was painful.

This man only cares about increasing Alphabet stock prices to ensure as large a golden parachute as possible on the way out.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This man only cares about increasing Alphabet stock prices to ensure as large a golden parachute as possible on the way out.

This Is literally his legal obligation, welcome to capitalism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

there are many ways to fulfil this “obligation”… i’d argue that he’s increasing alphabet stock price in the short term but long term what the fuck is going to happen when the sources all go out of business?

… oh right they’re going to become a news monopoly… cool cool cool

regardless, i think there’s an argument to be made with all this “we are evil because it’s our legal duty to shareholders” that evil is a bad long-term choice. i think boeing is the prime example: if they weren’t “too big to fail” they’d be fucked because of their short term thinking

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

No, making money is not a legal obligation. CEO at my last job told the board, two years in a row, that intended to lose money so we could invest in our people and tech. They cheered him.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

The sad part is this is actually his job description and Alphabet could get sued by shareholders if he didn‘t do exactly that. The stock market needs to be criminalized, not glorified as the one truth like it‘s treated right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

You described all executives everywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't this kill their ad revenue? Which is like...most of their revenue?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ad supported articles is a dead industry, Google realizes this better than anyone. People don't go to the source anymore to answer curiosities, why would you read a whole article to answer a simple question when AI gives you the answer directly?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I meant why would people advertise on Google if it won't convert to clicks anymore?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

They won't, and I'm saying Google knows that their Advertising cash cow is running out of milk.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

why would you read a whole article to answer a simple question when AI gives you the answer directly?

context?, nuance?, verifying the AI slop?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The last thing I googled is how to measure dress shirt size. Do you need context and nuance for everything you Google?

Do you prefer to click on the seo optimized first page results that are full of ads and read through a nonsense article about elegance in formal wear just to get to the instructions on where to place the measuring tape on your shoulder? I MUCH prefer the AI summarized response.

Most of the Internet is NOT intellectual writing, it's blog spam to answer your daily curiosities and practical needs. A sufficienty trained model is a really good (and environmentally friendly) alternative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

The last thing I googled is how to measure dress shirt size. Do you need context and nuance for everything you Google?

if AI is answering, yes.

Do you prefer to click on the seo optimized first page results that are full of ads and read through a nonsense article...

No, but that's not what i claimed so you can have your strawman back

Most of the Internet is NOT intellectual writing, it's blog spam to answer your daily curiosities and practical needs. A sufficienty trained model is a really good (and environmentally friendly) alternative.

Let me know when we get one. In the meantime, enjoy your thick, glue riddled, pizza sauce

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

No! Pushing AI generated garbage is our job!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Glad this is happening. These are the same news outlets that provide Google with your information and pay Google for ads.

They can all bust for all I care.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

“Every day, we send billions of clicks to websites, and connecting people to the web continues to be a priority,” a Google spokesperson said in a statement. “New experiences like AI Overviews and AI Mode enhance Search and expand the types of questions people can ask, which creates new opportunities for content to be discovered.”

They followed up with: “You can totally trust me, and everything I just said. I am absolutely definitely not lying.”

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago

With a link to NYPost lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Google wants it all this time. No traffic for anyone but them after they steal all your content.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They saw what AOL tried to do and decided they can make it work.

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