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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yesterday I read on mastodon that leaving Twitter to go to Bluesky is like quitting smoking to start vaping. Changing a centralized place that lives off your data for another one. Right now Bluesky does not have hate speech like Twitter just because it does not suit the current accounts of its shareholders

[–] [email protected] 41 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Switching to vaping is less bad, and for me, it lead to me quitting all together. So to me, this is still a small win, and I like to celebrate small wins these days.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting menthols to smoke regular cigarettes, and switching to a decentralized platform would be more analogous to a switch to vaping. Quitting social media entirely would equate better to 'quitting smoking' in my mind, as i dont think any platform is mentally healthful (yes i am fully aware of the hypocrisy of posting this comment as a lemmy user).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago

Since Twitter is currently really really toxic, dangerous, and run by a maniac; and Bluesky currently is not (it's actually been amazingly non-toxic)...I strongly disagree.

Even shittier anaology, but it's more like moving from a house that has an active gas leak to a house that has gas pipes in the house. Has potential for leaks, but there aren't any. And it currently has working gas leak detectors.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting ~~menthols~~ PCP to smoke regular cigarettes

Fixed that for you.


For those who are unfamiliar,

PCP may cause hallucinations, distorted perceptions of sounds, and violent behavior.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think we just need to adopt the 2000s mindset again of dropping a platform when it gets shit. No one gave a fuck about the loss of Digg and Myspace.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently they just become fascist

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

When did this become the default?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago

I had a really good friend on MySpace that I lost touch with. I think he was a little paranoid, we didn't speak much and he was always looking over his shoulder. His name was Tom.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I don’t know if hate speech will be able to flourish on Bluesky like on twitter simply because of the moderation tools.

There’s already a giant blocklist of maga idiots who have tried to move over, and if you follow that list you’ll never see their posts. And the unwritten rule of the place is to block anyone who is trying to start stuff or that you simply don’t like. On twitter that felt taboo for some reason, but on Bluesky that’s normal - as it should be, really.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Where can I get this list?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Here is one. I'm sure there are several.

https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s

Edit: Just came across a post with several useful block lists for maga, nazis, other shitheads:

https://bsky.app/profile/azalben.bsky.social/post/3lawjdxpick2l

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

If they're still allowed on the platform to speak their mind amongst their ilk, doesn't that just create an echo chamber of idiots? Assuming they stay instead of leaving after their fe-fes get hurt, of course.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

There will always be echo chambers of idiots. Twitter is more or less that already.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I left Twitter years ago, but I think you could also block whoever you want, whether people do it more or less is independent of the site, the moderation tools are the same. 3

What's more, I am 100% sure that if in a few years Bluesky considers it economically beneficial for its shareholders that these tools "have occasional failures" this will happen without a doubt. This is something that if happens in Mastodon, changing the node you are done

[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago

Bluesky also lets you unpin your quotes from others posts so no quote dunking and they have a nuclear block. If you’re blocked, you can’t see their posts anywhere in quotes or otherwise (excepting screenshots) and that interaction is broken completely even to third parties that may have neither blocked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

Twitter didn't have block lists. You could block people individually, but not as a group.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not really. You can host your own data but you still rely on Bluesky’s services to access it. And there is no realistic way to migrate your content or audience to another platform outside their control

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Which services? isn't it similar to matrix?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

How is mastodon not just a bunch of centralized platforms?

Sure the servers communicate with each other but the content is still just on one of them. Goes the server, so goes the content.

Or am I mistaking?

If it is like I say I feel it is more trading Hitler in for, potentially, a bunch of smaller Hitlers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

IIRC the content is on multiple. If there's a single user on lemmy.world subscribing to content from somewhere.else's foo community, then foo will be synced to lemmy.world and if somewhere.else is taken down it will remain on lemmy.world.

But someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, it isn't just about servers going offline. If a single server does something bad, you can just switch to a different one and enjoy the same content you've been seeing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Well, I am not a systems engineer to answer your question, in any case smaller Hitlers equals Hitlers with less power. Dividing power is not the definitive solution to authoritarianism, but it usually helps a lot, especially if the agents are also competitive. "If you are too Hitler, I'll go to this other server that is a little less so" is a valid incentive to avoid the Hitlerization of the admins.

I don't think I've ever used the name Hitler so much.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

a bunch of centralized platforms?

This is what decentralized means. If your home instance goes to shit, you can just move your account to another one.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting it’s not so bad; they’re a lot more open than people giving them credit for. it’s just not as federated - yet

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

It has a single owner who makes the decisions and makes profitable the contributions of the users. It is a social media model that has been over for me for some time now, if they are open the better for them, I am not going to join anyway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Twitter started dying when they closed the API

Bluesky’s is perfectly operational

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Things never change, companies never break promises, shareholders never hold power over decision, people can not be bought

Those would all have to be true in order for anyone to have a reason to put trust into Bluesky.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was just reading up on bluesky yesterday and you can self host and also have a bridge to link with the fediverse so maybe there is some hope to communicate

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The bridges are singular points of failure. If the bridge you use goes down you lose all your audience that was on that bridge. It’s better than nothing however. I will consider normies using threads and Bluesky a win as much as I can but it’d be so more ideal if we just all were on open and truly federated protocols instead of relying on half measures

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

Yeah I've been trying to convince an acquaintance to use mastodon instead of Twitter for a while then yesterday he mentioned he created a bluesky account and I had to look it up, not great but better I guess

[–] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago

It's a start. At least ordinary people are leaving Twitter for another site in some capacity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

We will be here when that goes to shit as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well, there goes the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hardly. The Fediverse spans multiple apps and services, and it existed before Elon bought Twitter and it will continue existing regardless of what the billionaires do, because it's not run by just one person.

The whole point is decentralization, not growth, so unless the billionaires can take out every server hosting an instance, the Fediverse isn't going anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This.

Back in the day this is how the internet worked. Every forum host was just some guy or girl hosting a platform so they coukd build a community with the people and hobbies they love.

We need to go back closer to that world. The fediverse bridges the gap between the centralized experience, and decentralized management.

Optimistically, it's the best of both worlds.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago

I know I can't ever go back. I donate to my instance, and I actually feel good about it, because I know it's not going into the pocket of some faceless corporation who's beholden to its shareholders instead of its customers.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think it's the worst outcome or the Fediverse needing to be written off because of this. At least for now BridgyFed is a thing, and it's not like we have to capture every refugee, Mastodon has thriving and tight-knit communities.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

Most Mastodon groups are about Mastodon, Fediverse and the drama accompanying both.

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