That's the entire point of bans.
You don't want to have to manually block all the spammers and shit posters a decent instance is taking care of for you.
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I think it would be better if bans only applied to posting on an instance, and each instance/community would self moderate. If I go to a post, I want to see the whole discussion, and not have certain people hidden from me by my home instance. Let the instance hosting the community filter out spam.
Run your own instance or join a permissive one if you don't want your instance to moderate trash away.
What you're describing is a massive downgrade, and also massively adds to the legal exposure of hosting an instance, because you're serving everything any user of your instance sees. Being able to block bad actors isn't really an optional feature. You're effectively asking for your instance to be forced to serve you abusive content.
I understand the liability issue, I guess this is just an inherent tradeoff with how the fediverse works.
I at least think there could be a two stage ban, ‘no posting here’ and ‘block everything’.
Also, defederation could still be used for instances that fail to moderate, although I do agree that fully blocking a user is much preferable to the nuclear option.
It would be a waste of time when no one would use the half ban. They're banning users because they don't want to serve whatever they're posting.
you seem to be annoyed that a remote community can police itself.
your local instance is using some other servers content, of course its going to adhere to the moderation of that remote instance (federated moderation).
if you dont like the moderation of a remote community its your duty to make a new one somewhere else. this happens regularly when lemmy.world or .ml mods go overboard into fedora territory. if users agree, they will follow
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying it would be best if content on remote instances wasn’t censored when viewed on a local instance, even if that user was banned locally.
I think this problem is hard to get around though with how all content has to be hosted locally.
ha, that content is remote content, even if its cached locally.
Yes? I don’t understand what you’re saying.
youre upset that a remote instance can police its own content. but youre confused why your local copy of their data gets modded.. you just dont like the fact that a community can police itself and that that moderation flows to remote copies of their community.
if you really want to circumvent this, you would spin up your own instance and prevent federated moderation. but you have to admit that youre ignoring the wishes of that remote community to moderate their content.
e. now that i think about it, if you get banned at the instance level, well, youre SOL. because they are rejecting you/your addition to their content.
Please re read the original post and my comments. That’s not what I am saying.
I’m saying that ideally moderation SHOULD be handled by the remote instance that hosts the community, and that the local instance should faithfully reflect it without censoring it.
If you're on an instance with strong moderation and that is not what you want, maybe you should consider opening an account on a more free-wheeling instance. Picking a different instance solves your problem without affecting others' current experiences.
I picked an instance based on their moderation policy. I want their level of moderation. I want them to block porn and the bigoted BS that some other instances allow. It would be a terrible downgrade in experience if I was at the whim of every other instances' moderation approach instead of by the instance I selected.
I’m quite happy with my instance and I haven’t experienced this myself (that I know of). I just personally would rather encounter something I don’t like than to only be able to see half a conversation.
I guess you’re right that having instance options makes this a non issue though, as we can both have what we want.
I just think a lot of people join instances like world or ml without really understanding this, which is unfortunate.
If you're having problems with a lot of people you like being blocked by your server, it's probably a good sign that you should change your server. That's kind of the point of being able to do that.
You can use emojis in your display name.
If you run your own instance, you can do a lot more, like set your account creation date to a century ago, or even run a script so it's always your cake day.
When you delete your comment, it's not actually deleted. When you try replying to a deleted comment, it will show the original comment above the textarea for your reply.
At least my client ( sync ) does that.
I always overwrite my comment with "deleted" or similar, before deleting.
I think that got fixed.
Probably something to do with federation. I'd look at it maybe 24h later.
But for anyone else knowing this open secret and seeing the content...Damage was done.
Anytime someone says "it has to be that way because that's how federation works" they're wrong. It can be however we want it to be, it's just a choice.
We need capitalism it has to be this way there's no other option
The commenter:
"All" is not necessarily all. Others on your instance, or you, must subscribe to other instance's magazines for them to show up.
Thanks I used to know that one but forgot it.
If there's a post or something on another instance but not your one, you can enter the full URL into the search bar and it will fetch it and make it available on your instance (unless defeds get in the way).
Works on both Lemmy and Mastodon.
Instance admins can see your upvotes/downvotes, as in who specifically upvoted/downvoted something. As far as I'm aware, some front ends just make that information public.
Well that's a dogshit thing that definitely needs to change. Very un-fediverse like. Privacy issue. None of anybody's fucking business who voted which way on what.
an instance admin typically is admin'ing the database. they can run whatever database query they want.
and even through federation!
Dayum. Hope our admin is as trusful as they seem to be.
90% of mods and admins suck, and the chance they suck is proportional to the size of the instance.
That it exists.
Connect is a good mobile app
If you want to go straight to a community, hit the search icon and type it in the format [email protected], this has helped a lot, but was only mentioned in a changelog like a year ago.
It's pronounced jif
And Moog rhymes with vogue.
Much like good old MySQL, it's named for its creator and the last name My is pronounced 'me'. At least that's what I remember hearing or reading somewhere... I'm sadly too uncultured to know for sure (never made it that far around the globe).