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Hey Privacy people,

I am looking for a OneNote alternative for all my campaign notes for my tabletop RPGs. I was looking at Obsidian.md as an option and wondering what their data collection is like?

Fot all my personal and private notes I use standard notes but the free version is not quite roboist enougj. I can't afford to pay premium any time soon I need a free option I can use.

Any suggestions ?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Unless you need specific functionality that silver bullet doesn't provide, i'd start there. It's very similar to logseq, but doesn't have a bunch of questionable design choices based around a paid sync monetization scheme. Silverbullet is self hosted and has a web app. Logseq is a webapp, packaged for Android and desktop, but only allowed file access for your data so you can't self host sync... Because they charge for that. It's a mess.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just use syncthing with logseq and it works fine...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I do too. My point is there's already a web app you can self host, but you can't store your data on your server. The web app uses the local file access framework, which is just dumb. There's no reason for this except to be able to monetize sync, and that's also dumb because as you said, sync thing works fine. But they're making a bad choice to explicitly remove functionality, and that doesn't make me feel confident about the future of the project.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

For this exact reason I switched to Trilium, I can acces on all my devices. I'm very expectant of the new fork Trilium Next.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Joplin is pretty good for organizing notes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I tried Joplin but the layout confuses me. I don't get why there is two windows one for text and one for code ?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

It's a Markdown editor. You write markdown in one, and preview in the other. Or, you can just turn the preview off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

You can switch to the WYSIWYG Editor in the settings

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Agree, and I switched over a couple of years ago. Only yesterday learned about Mermaid graphs and was impressed that Joplin does them natively.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Proton just bought Standard Notes, so keep an eye out for changes there. Otherwise, I use Obsidian but I have it sync to my home server so I can access the same data from my phone and computer.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As a proton user I am keeping my eye on this and hopeing I will get access to this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

+1 for StandardNotes. It's been a wonderful product.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

As long as it stays FOSS, you don't need to worry. You can even self-host Standard Notes if you don't trust their cloud service: https://standardnotes.com/help/self-hosting/getting-started

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Obsidian is pretty good, it shouldn't collect any data by default. But you can also check out Logseq, an open source Obsidian alternative.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I've never seen anything fishy from them, many people trust them for their work notes.

It's all .md files you own.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As they are closed source no one can tell you their true privacy policy. It seems better than average from what I've read but you never know...

Personally I use logseq and sync the files via a Nextcloud instance. I can only recommend it, although I also recommend spending an hour to learn the tagging and linking logic and reading through their guide on what's possible. I still only leverage a minor part of the potential myself.

One that is closer to onenote (I think, never used onenote) is Joplin.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Since you're specifically looking to replace OneNote, you might want to take a look at BookStack. It has similar organizational concepts, and I think it's FOSS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Second this, BookStack is great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Thirded. I used it when I was learning to code and its super easy to search and reference back to older stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I use Obsidian, which is quite powerful with their vast plugin library. You can do a lot of automation, and you can check out some of Nicole van der Hoeven's videos, who among other things use it to keep track of TTRPG campaigns, both as a player and as a game master. For example this one.

I don't use their sync service, but have all files locally on my Nextcloud server. I sync them to my phone with Syncthing, which unfortunately means I cannot encrypt them with Cryptomator like I planned, but if you only use it on your computer, that is also something you could do. If you are paranoid about them still phoning home with your data, then you can block its network access with a firewall. I think you can install plugins manually.

I would have preferred it if it was FOSS. I have considered checking out Logseq as an alternative. But the bullet-based workflow doesn't appeal to me, so I haven't tried yet. I switched over from Standard Notes, and honestly it was pain to transfer because the text export from Standard Notes was all over the place, as I had used a lot of different note types. I tried to parse some of these smart notes they have, but I couldn't quickly figure out how they were structured to automate it, so I ended up manually going through and copying over what I wanted to keep. I like the approach of keeping plain text markdown files. It is easier to export to another application in the future, although some of the content will be useless as it is explicitly written for the plugins (e.g. Dataview).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Logseq or Orgzly Revived

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I use logseq for work notes and Obsidian for personal. Obsidian is more markdown which I like for my loose notes. logseq, on the other hand, is more focused on productivity and it's fully opensource. Obsidian is only free for personal use, however their notes being closer to standart markdown means that they could be openned with any text editor and be just as functional.

Syncing between computers is easy – it's just a git repo. Dealing with mobile is tricier but I never needed it so can't comment much.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Hit the selfhosted community, this is an on-going conversation there with pretty much every note taking app being discussed.

As an aside, while OneNote is proprietary, if you use the full app it doesn't require OneDrive. If you only use it on a PC, it can sync locally with other PCs - I've used it this way for 15 years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I had almost the same question. So let me quickly share what I came up with.

I have a ton of notes in different areas. By I was not happy with the way Obsidian worked – synchronization specifically. I didn't want to pay for it. So I got on a quest for the perfect note-taking system. It had to be:

  • Markdown-first. Because we all know why;
  • Interoperable. That is as few additional flavors and things added as possible;
  • Portable. Such that I could open my Notes folder in any app;
  • Synchronization. With as few additional crutches as possible.

Main text editor

Desktop. I use [email protected]. It has marksman LSP (meaning markdown support out of the box). This is how I know no other app is involved into writing process (no telemetry, etc). Also zero task switching this way. I still use [email protected] from time to time. I don't use Logseq because it has opinionated file structure, which doesn't meet my interoperability need. Also, I don't always need an outliner. You can turn this feature on in Obsidian, but you can't turn it off in Logseq.

Mobile. I use the simplest markdown-capable apps for iOS and Android. Also, don't forget Cryptomator.

Sync. For the most part I use [email protected] to sync all the notes. Such that they are not uploaded into any cloud storage. I don't use iCloud, or rather almost never use it.

As for your question. Obsidian is a pretty good choice because of its extensibility, portability, and interface. Although it easy to get lost in the plugin rabbit hole. Its desktop and mobile (if you go for it) privacy policy is pretty solid. Client-first markdown app – nothing more and nothing else.

Lastly, there is this idea that one needs to sync notes via some cloud. Not true. You should consider your threat model first. Cloud sync is not must. In some cases, Syncthing is more than enough, is more private, and might be a more secure option (as it reduces your surface of attack to some extent).

I guess that's all

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

This is the same setup I'm running, I can highly recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How about Notesnook? https://notesnook.com

Open source and end to end encrypted

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

You can read Obsidian's privacy policy. Basically, everything remains on your device unless you pay to use the Obsidian Sync. I switched from Standard Notes to Obsidian last year and I haven't looked back ever since. You can use Syncthing to synchronize your Obsidian Vault across multiple devices. All you need to do is add the Vault directory to Syncthing, that means you need to first make a dedicated folder in your filesystem for the Obsidian Vault which you will be required to do anyway while setting up Obsidian.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

OrgNote. The project is still quite raw but the developer works hard and the overall idea and philosophy behind the project is perfect for me. Fully compatible with emacs org-roam, most probably compatible with logseq. There is a "fully managed" free version with PGP support or an option for a self-hosted server.

Project: https://github.com/Artawower/orgnote Manifesto: https://github.com/Artawower/orgnote/wiki#manifesto

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I will look into this is the relates to org mode?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Nextcloud notes if you have a Nextcloud instance

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Have you looked at World Anvil? It's been a long time and I don't remember what the free vs. paid tier comparisons were, but I thought it was pretty slick.

Edit: Didn't realise the community I'm in. I have no idea the privacy state of World Anvil but I'll edit if I come across it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I am unsure of their privacy but I find their site a bit too clunky.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I am a fan of Standard Notes, but crypt.ee is also solid as far as I know.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As for a generic notes platform my favorite is crypt.ee

It's paid but they give you 100mb "free forever", which is more than enough for a whole lot of text-based notes.

Best part is it works like Google docs where there is an offline cache so you don't have to sit there and stare at it for 10 seconds waiting for it to decrypt.

They're centered in Estonia.

As for hand-written notes, I like RNote but don't really use it much, as I can't get my Wacom or Lenovo or MS pens to work on Linux. But there's nothing that comes close to OneNote in that regard.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Obsidian and logseq

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Eidos – Offline alternative to Notion

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

There are many open source wiki softwares: zim, dokuwiki, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Look into a static website built with Hugo. You'll be creating pages in markdown like obsidian. You can host it locally so there's no privacy concerns.

If you want it externally facing then there are some options but you'll need to find a site to host your static website and who you're comfortable with their privacy policy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Plain text files.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Obsidian, but I’m not competent to comment regarding their privacy. You can air gap the install and have it on an isolated machine.

It’s hella customizable, and there is broad support specifically for using it with TTRPGs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

On linux for the Obsidian Flatpak, you can deny it having internet and filesystem permissions using Flatseal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh perfect I am very new to Linux so didn't even really know about flatseal is there any guides or videos how to use flatseal?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

org-mode/org-roam-ui in Emacs with PGP support synchronization via git in forgejo

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Don't count standard notes out just yet!

They offer discounted plans upon request!

https://standardnotes.com/help/56/what-if-i-can-t-afford-the-price-of-extended

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

For taking campaign notes, bookstack might be an option. It is specifically organized in a book, chapter, page hierarchy.

I also use it for my journal and to do list just because I already used it. Probably not as full featured as obsidian though

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