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[–] [email protected] 134 points 11 months ago (3 children)

"Stephen King made me want to become a writer. Dean Koontz made me realize I could become a writter".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If Terry Goodkind can publish several books, and get a TV show, then anybody can!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I used to enjoy his books and you made me look him up for the first time since the terrible Law of Nines book.

He's dead! That was a surprise! Otherwise most of the Sword of Truth series was "watch Richard take on communism........Again".

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Shots fired!

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What's up with the word "amused" there? Looks like someone badly photoshopped a different word in.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Looks like some weird artifact. The original author deleted all his original tweets back in October, so I can't find the original; but he did retweet Stephen King's quote tweet of someone else's tweet of a screenshot of his original tweet (wow I hate that sentence) and that screenshot doesn't have this artifact in it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

This was in an old folder, no idea where it originated!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It looks like a weird kerning issue between the e & the d, but it’s really odd that it’s only happening with those two letters.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've overlaid what I think is the original onto the image from this post: https://i.imgur.com/3WE6emI.png

They match up so exactly that I'm pretty convinced this has to have originally been the same image, just mangled by some sort of an uploader or something.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Was it originally, “fucking amused” and then they lazily moved the text over?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Dean Koontz is kind of like the RC Cola of horror/suspense novelists:

  • See RC Cola in the store
  • “Hmmmm, it’s been a while, but I THINK I liked RC the last time I got it”
  • Purchase and consume RC Cola
  • “I kind of wish this was a Coke, but it’s not that bad, might as well finish”
  • Several years pass, go back to step 1

As a side note, I LOVED Dean Koontz books back in the 80’s/90’s. They were fun and quick reads that are in the “high floor, low ceiling” realm of books.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What is a high floor low ceiling book?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Think of it on a scale of 1-10. High floor means it’s not a stinker, so worst ranking would be in the 4/10 - 5.5/10 range. Low ceiling means it’s not going to be an all-timer, so the best ranking would be in the 6/10 - 7.5/10 range. Basically you’ll never HATE it, but you’re also never going to LOVE it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seems more like a description of the author than a particular book.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It could be, all his stuff is extremely similar. He reuses character archetypes and narrative shifts throughout most of his stories.

Early on in his career it wasn't as bad but he's been churning them out for awhile.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Reliably entertaining, but will never be considered a masterpiece.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

Basically moved on from youth novels with both Dean Koontz and Stephen King. The Odd Thomas series was a fun read at that age.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm offended by this, as I much prefer RC Cola to Coke or Pepsi... :/

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I got to spend a couple of days at a sci-fi convention at a table next to Richard Hatch of the 1970s Battlestar Galactica fame. He was a really cool guy and we spent all day joking around. Every so often, someone would come by and say, "hey! You're uh... uh..." and I would say, "he's Dirk Benedict." (That was his BSG co-star). Once I told a lady that she better not call him Dirk Benedict because it makes him really mad.

If I had a photo of Dirk Benedict, I would have asked him to sign it.

Sadly, Richard Hatch is no longer with us. I really enjoyed hanging out with him. He was way into tabletop gaming and even would leave the table sometimes to host a session. I'm not a huge TTGer anymore, but I wish I could have had Richard Hatch as a GM.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a great story! What a cool experience

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I've had a lot of cool experiences meeting people in the sci-fi/fantasy world by working tables at sci-fi cons due to two different reasons about ten years apart, but that era of my life is over. I can only go as a regular conventioneer now. I take my daughter to them on occasion if one is nearby because she likes to look at all the cosplay.

I also got to see Gwar and The Misfits do a free double-act concert late at night at DragonCon in the 90s, which topped most of the notable people I met, even though my experience with pretty much all of them was good.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago

John Green first editions are less valuable if they're signed, simply because all first editions are supposed to be signed. So that's a fun fact.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Sure everyone has heard of Stephen King and most know know of Dean Koontz. But 10 year old me wants to give a shout out to the best of em, R.L. Stine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

It would be really funny to have Stephen King and R.L. Stine sign each others books.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

King is my favorite author, hands down, but I don't understand why so many people seem to look down at Koontz. If we're really being honest, Koontz would be much more well regarded if it weren't for the fact that he's so frequently directly compared to King, and Stephen King is a one-of-a-kind, once in a lifetime literary master. Absent the comparison to King, the bulk of Koontz's work holds up quite well. It's entertaining writing with relatable characters that are easy for become invested in. Hell, some of his ideas were not only terrifyingly imaginative, they were also oddly accurate predictions of the future. Demon Seed is uniquely chilling in that it was almost comically over the top with its seemingly ridiculous technology that has since very much become a reality.

I would also argue that Koontz has had a few film adaptations that ended up better than the King adaptations of their time. Phantoms, Watchers, Servants of Twilight, Whispers, Intensity, and Mr. Murder were all pretty great.

Koontz has a great track record. He simply suffers from living in the shadow of a modern day colossus like King. Absent the comparison, I feel Koontz would be much more favorably viewed.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I read exactly one Dean Koontz book and it was about an evil literary critic who tortures the author with a taser in the first few chapters. He is later revealed to be an actual ghost

Kudos to Dean for monetizing a night terror, but he should have been given AI video creation and tiktok voiceovers to express that. I can't remember another time I got Library Lender's Remorse.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

One Dean Koontz book isn't a great sample size. He writes a LOT and most of it isn't very good, but every once in a while he gets it just right and puts out a really good one.

Though tbf, I haven't re-read his stuff in probably 10 years so I don't know if it holds up to modern scrutiny. Odd Thomas was always my favorite of his.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I think ive also ready exactly one koontz book

I think it involved a child genius inventing time travel with something that looked like salt and pepper shakers because his family was being targeted by an assassin for some reason

Also might have been a fever dream not sure

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Relentless:

What began as an innocent and unexpected encounter is about to trigger an inferno of violence. For Shearman Waxx is not merely a ferocious literary enemy, but a ruthless sociopath, and now he is intent on destroying Cubby and everything he holds dear: his home, his wife, his young son, and every hope he had in the world.

The terror has only just begun, and it will be relentless…

DOT DOT DOT

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Maybe it’s trendy to hate on Koontz but I enjoyed his books when I was a bit younger. The Face, Watchers, TickTock and a couple others but I also liked Clive Cussler at the time so there is that. I think I found it easy to pick up and read as opposed to an investment like King.

A quick google says that Koontz has sold 450 million books and is worth over 200 million. I’m sure he is okay with not being some people’s favourite.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Lol Koontz and cussler were read on many a summer vacation when I was sprouting too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I enjoyed the hell of his books at one point, read a bunch of them over the course of a year or two. In hindsight he's very formulaic and everything is pretty predictable, but they're a fun read for what they are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Yeah, a perfect airport or holiday book that entertains you like a brainless action movie!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Brandon Sanderson and ~~Tim~~ Patrick Rothfuss started signing each other's books for awhile too. I read that Sanderson signs his and Rothfuss books at the airport bookstore when he's traveling. I managed to find a few signed Sanderson books at the airport bookstore in SLC when I flew through there for a connecting flight once. I still have them on my bookshelf. No cross-signings though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Do you mean Patrick Rothfuss?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

I would be happy to have King sign my Moonlight bay books (C'mon Koonts get the third one out!). But only if he signs it " ...needs more underage orgies -signed Stephen King."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve read a couple of Dean’s books and I don’t regret it, but also didn’t find them that good.

Outside a couple of disappointments, everything I’ve read from King has ranged from really good (Salems lot, tommyknockers, etc) to outstanding (the dark tower series, the tailsman).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Same. The only series of Dean's I think I liked was Odd Thomas and I read them years ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

One of my neighbors named their daughter "Stormy" after Odd Thomas's >!dead!< girlfriend. When I asked him if he and his wife were big fans of the books, he said that they'd never read the books before. But they'd seen the movie.

He told me this several years ago and it still annoys me to this day.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is there any rivalry going on?

I read books from both and other than Kings super fame there is not much difference. I don't prefer either.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Back in my day, we jokingly called Dean Stephen King Lite

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