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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sex work is work. Decriminalise it, legislate it, create a sex workers employment category and taxation, require licensing and health checks, give copyright protections to content creators, to their images and likenesses.

To me porn is no more fantastical than acting is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Why would it require a license?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I'm guessing the same reason there are professional certifications for stage combat coordinators, stunt choreographers, and firearms instructors even for movies. If doing your job poorly could very likely result in harm to others on the job site, there should be some standards and practices that are explicit and measureable, and like the SAE, maybe a trade group who assists their members with certs and continuing education.

Handling sexual activity on a set can definitely result in harm if done poorly or negligently.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Provides safety and rigour for the environments in which people work and provides a professional standard which indicates a person is trained / experienced / aware of the "right" way to do things.

Like at the very least, sexual health management, consent, grievances, injuries, comprehension of working conditions, rights, copyright, prevention of sexual slavery etc.

I know it's onerous but the core of this is the worker and their health right.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

I have no problem with porn, at least in theory.

The reality of the industry is that large swathes of it are built on abuse, trafficking, and use of drugs for coercion. Not a fan of that. But I don't think criminalizing sex work has done anything to help, and generally I don't like taking economic opportunities away from people who are already historically disadvantaged.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I will preface this with I worked for an adult website in an infrastructure support role for several years. I really don't have any problems with streaming camgirl sites or porn videos if the performers are doing it of their own free will. Camgirls can set their own schedule, it's safer than doing the same in person, and there's more privacy for them as well.

That said, many people get forced into doing things they don't want to do when it comes to porn. The industry is rife with abuse and human trafficking. I'm pro regulation, taxation, and ensuring that things are above board with independent audits. The same goes for sex work.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah, one of the things the "it should be illegal due to human trafficking" crowd never seems to understand is that if you legalize it, you can regulate it and the the human trafficking aspect would become harder to pull off. While making all of it illegal just makes it easier for the villains to hide in the shadows of the industry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Would like there to be less stigma around sex work.

As with all work, I want better work protection. Unions. All that.

Specifically, I'm really tired of the "step-" stuff that the major free sites seem to push a lot. I don't know why it's trending but I don't like it.

I think in a couple years ai is going to be good enough to make video, and that's going to be weird. Like today you can type "big tit redhead" and hope you get results that do it for you, but in the future it'll probably be able to create results. That will open whole new fronts in ethical debates.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Unions for sex workers is going to be so weird. What if they enforce seniority? If you show up to a brothel first you get Ethel and if you show up later you can finally get Skylar and if they are really packed you can get Jayden.

Fellow fluffers. We are fluffing many dongs but are we fluffing enough?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am surprised it is a thing really. People are paying for porn? People are looking at free porn without ad blocks, incognito mode, and a VPN?

Erotic fiction makes even less sense. You can get way more than you would ever have time to read for free and yet people are still buying it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I guess the idea is that you pay if you want specific items. If you're happy with whatever, then there's no need to pay.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Hey I am glad someone is. They pay so I don't have to. Jerking off on the freerider bus ftw.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not much worse than hollywood

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

In many cases, way more entertaining.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

For individual workers, there shouldn't be any stigma sround for them, they should be respected as much as any other worker. And the industry itself should become less predatory and workers should be protected more, I hear workplace sexual assault is common in the industry and people should be protected against that. Also another question in my mind is "If people depend on money to survive and if that money is made trough sex than is, sex work, rape trough coercion?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To answer that question it might be useful to ask a different question: "If people depend on money to survive and if that money is made through manual labour. Does this imply that manual labour is slavery through coercion?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People have no choice but to work, meaning yes(?). Conclusion I am reaching is that capitalism corrupts labour.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If a person has to work to pick fruit from a tree so they can eat and not starve, does that mean Nature is slavery?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

If you tried to live on fruit you would die. You need animal protein (or some other means of getting vitamin Bs) and grains and vegetables.Wheat/Rice/Corn/Potatoes/Carrots/lettuce don't want to be eaten. That's why they are full of shit that can kill you that only things like cooking, milling, and leaching can get rid of. Cabbage, even after thousands of years of selective breeding, alone has something like 14 different posions that can end you.

This whole argument is so freaken stupid. You are not a slave because you don't want a lifestyle of living in welfare. Calling yourself one because you work part time in a gas station is an insult to every real slave in human history.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

You don't really need to work to survive, you will be miserable but you can survive. Heck like half of my family decided work wasn't their thing decades ago. I am the moron for working.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Just regular people selling their time/ideas/morals for capitalism.

I'd have preferred for it to be a thing after we established safety nets so that people don't have to worry about being homeless/hungry/sick.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

It is just another industry as long as it is done safely. I know it's filled with a lot of issues, controversies and problems. Like production companies and websites abusing girls, models etc., such as "girls do porn". And other actors abusing other actors.

Porn is acting, just because somebody works in porn doesn't mean harassment doesn't exist towards them.

I know it may still be taboo in many circles and there's still a shame in the world about it. But as with anything in life, some people are okay with it, some people are not, some people choose to ignore it.

It's definitely clear that addiction and overconsumption of porn exists and it does affect humans and their relationships, and it's pretty clear all porn companies have in mind to increase profits and this means that it's in their interest for customers to alienate their relationships and over rely on porn and it's associated products to not only get their horny fix but to fulfill other emotional needs, I mean look at all the AI Chatbots that are being created and the AI Virtual girlfriend experiences. But, I don't feel like this is the only industry that has these issues and that it's the only industry where it's goals aren't what's best for the health of the consumer. Exaggeration and endless pursuit of growth and profits will do this to every industry.

I feel like, with everything in our life we should do our best to be informed and to actively be aware and pursue moderation, but I'm also aware it's not easy and it's not the way humans work.

As much as I say these things I'm not a saint or perfect and I don't always follow them. I myself have an addiction or a mild addiction.

You know, "Do as I say, not as I do"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Our daddy taught us not to be ashamed of our dicks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Especially since they're such good size and all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I mean it’s capitalism so what do you expect? Then again I think most people know extremely little about the industry and have opinions based mostly on puritanical views on sex. So I usually don’t like to feed that nonsense by extra criticism when there are many other industries that are far more worthy of criticism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I don't mind having a wank to it, but I'd never have any interest in meeting / knowing / dating / having a relationship with anyone who does it.

The amazing counter to that is always "oh, yeah? Well they don't want to have anything to do with you either!" and I am totally okay with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That it will be really really really interesting how AI affects this sector over the next few years.

Like really interesting.

The optimist in me would think that it will change the industry for the better as less people will be exploited as most porn will be AI generated and only rare "certified real" porn will still require actual humans - which leaves less room for exploration.

The pessimist within me knows the optimist within me is dead for a long time and in reality it will be horrible - with basically every actress, well every person with any (social) media presence/any photos of him/herself will be an porn actress/actor, if they want it or not - there will be places offering "custom made AI porn". And some people will use that to exploit/blackmail/traumatize others. And some people will use it for easier access to more extreme material - and then find that they need even more/more real experiences. Which will be even worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think I'd like to be an actor in one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I’d watch it mate!! Keep the dream alive! 👍

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The industry needs to take PPE a lot more seriously.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I like it.

My favourite is stacked up Russian midgets or Japanese girls puking in each other mouths.

It makes me cum litres.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It makes me cum litres.

Do you keep it? There are so many options these days. Jars, boxes, whatever.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

I think they have no respect for themselves and makes the internet a worse place things like:OF,livestreaming crap,exploitation through addiction of teens and adults though self-responsability is a thing. Its a cesspool of the internet and frankly unhealthy and unrealistic.