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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Lightning never strikes the same place twice. In fact it favors repeated strikes at the same arcing point.

In the middle ages churches would ring the steeple bells during a thunderstorm in an effort to soothe God. (it was assumed the Christian God was directly responsible for lightning.) This resulted in such an epidemic of lightning deaths among parish priests that ringing church bells in thunderstorms remains a criminal act in some regions of Europe.

Modern cathedrals and statues are fitted with replaceable lightning rods, in an admission God is content to let the mechanics of static electricity guide His thunderbolts.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

I always suspected that the "no mixing wool and linen" verses in the Bible were due to miniature lightning striking (heh) the fear of God into the ancients.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Feed a cold, starve a fever." Rest, hydrate, and eat if you can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

We also learned that a mild fever is productive in fighting the virus and that you should let it get to a certain point before dealing with it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not even ancient- we used to prescribe cigarettes to cure asthma.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

We used to blow tobacco smoke up people's asses, literally.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Drowning women to determine if they are witches.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It still works now.

100% of people drowned are absolutely not witches!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure? I don't know if it has ever been definitely proven that witches float. We might have accidentally drowned a few witches.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If you had magic powers, would you let a bunch of dumbshit muggles who believe in witches drown you?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Classic case of survivorship bias

People back in the day had just as much terrible advice as we have today, it's just that the only one that survived long enough to survive to the present day is the really good advice

But to answer the question, anything related to the ingestion of mercury

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Anything related to health care in general, really. Keep in mind that germ theory was only invented in the late 16th century, and it was ridiculed for centuries in favour of Miasma theory. It wasn't until the mid 19th century that it started gaining legitimacy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

it’s just that the only one that survived long enough to survive to the present day is the really good advice

Okay but... I thought that was basically the point, in that if the advice survived for that long, then it is worth paying attention to at least, to consider if it might apply to a particular situation? e.g. chicken soup really is good for a cold, whether we knew the precise reasons why or not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Or anything radioactive. Turns out it was a bad idea to make radium-lined water coolers

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Blood letting. Have a fever, must be to much blood inside you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Blood letting actually does have medical basis, especially for people that suffer from hemochromatosis.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think they're getting at the fact that medicine is not as insane anymore.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

That there is a god (or gods)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I read Montaigne's essays (written in the 1500's) and while his views are remarkably modern in many ways, one thing that stuck out to me was how unabashedly elitist he is. The translation I had used the phrase "common herd" to refer to the large majority of people who failed to impress him due to their lack of education or strength of character. I hesitate to speak for him since I think he was a wiser man than I am, but I expect that our modern notions about democracy would have seemed ridiculous to him. He might accept that universal suffrage is in practice the least-bad option currently available to us, but he would argue that at least in principle it would be better to exclude people who don't actually know how to run a country from the process of deciding how the country is to be run.

(He would also be unashamed to say that the life of an exceptional person is worth more than the life of someone ordinary, but we think that in the modern day too. We just consider it rude to be so explicit about it.)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To be fair, our modern concept of democracy really is quite shitty and the only reason we use it is because it is better than anything else we came up with so far.

But generally the notion that the common person cannot be entrusted with politics holds true even if we find it distasteful. The average person is a fucking idiot and objectively not qualified to decide on political matters.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Case in point, Brexit.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Without knowing his works, I'd argue for him that he's right to some extent towards an uneducated population, BUT the reason we have universal suffrage is that our founding fathers assumed that:

  1. Everyone would be well-educated and make rational if not reasonable assumptions about politicians (eg, not elect morons who immediately try and sabotage the government, citizenry, and friends)

  2. Politicians would serve as public servants and would be even better educated and would work hard to brush up on things so that the common man wouldn't have to learn the ins and outs of complicated decisions in terms of complex trade agreements, city planning and zoning law, and universal medical systems that work across state lines.

Obviously, it didn't quite go that way. But it's why I'm such an advocate for good public schools and free education, because it pays itself back in spades when it comes to R&D/innovation and an informed populace who make the country and world a better place to live.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

They also put in "checks and balances" to ensure elitist rule anyways which we are seeing the fruits of.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The founding fathers did not believe in universal suffrage; at the time only people who owned land could vote--to say nothing of even less privileged groups than that--and they were fine with that policy, in part because these were considered to be the people with the most skin in the game.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Most forms of medical advice, some of it stuck around for a long ass time (bloodletting and the idea of spirits and humors lasted several millennia), but I imagine that the vast majority of it is lost to time.

You don't even have to go all that far back to see this in action.

In the 90's, the universal medical advice was to avoid fats, sauces and dear lord never eat more than 2-3 eggs in a week or you'll have a coronary before 40.

You still shouldn't go overboard with fats and sauce which is made with fat, but the advice that you shouldn't eat more than 2-3 eggs in a week is entirely defunct now.

You can eat 2-3 eggs a day (which many people do without even knowing as eggs are used in a whole lot of things) without any medical disadvantages.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I remember that....a lot of people just looked at the advice given and said "I don't trust people trying to tell me margarine is healthier than butter".

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What goes up comes back down.

Apply math and the object flies in a parabolic arc (not accounting for air friction and wind)

Launch it high enough and the arc start looking elliptical. Gravitational force looks less like a constant rather is tempered by distance². If the acceleration closes the ellipse without hitting the (circular at this scale) ground, your object is now a satellite in orbit.

Keep accelerating and eventually (a whole lot of acceleration) and special relativity factors affect the trajectory...and mass...and time dilates between the object and observers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

opposites attract

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Almost anything disease-related, E.G. humors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

HEAD ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Medicine and not taking anything as the will of god you should just accept, this and perception of death. That direct war, colonies are necessary - because now soft power, investments, influence, proxies are seen as more effective and better for business. That raw physical fitness means an easy superiority - and not a gun. Slavery and serfdom took other forms, so are associated stereotypes. Talking while seemingly alone is, arguably, not a solid sign of a mental illness now. First paleness became no longer a wanted trait, then we learnt that sun tan can be bad too. Putting fire to a field or a property isn't a good idea like it was before. Natural resources are free, limitless and harvested with no consequencies. Finding a stash of gold isn't that tempting too. Mass production, services kind off changed the amount of skills one needs in an average household and added complexity to it. Knowledge of how to get a clean water noticeably changed our ways. And perception of sex and family in different cultures drastically changed over time due to religion, law and science.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How they used to get rid of motor oil back in the day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I mean... the wisdom not really incorrect - the oil would soak into the ground. In this era people just piled up garbage in their back yard and burned it. Obviously this isn't an appropriate way to dispose of things in 2024.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I love how nowadays they made it illegal to wash your car out on the street because it pollutes the ground.

Like motherfucker where do you think this dirt goes to when it falls off the car while driving?

They should outlaw cars to fix this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It's the soap

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Aristotle was obviously a great teacher and philosopher but he ended up being wrong about a lot. Like he thought the “elements” were earth, wind, fire, and water and that all objects want to be in their “natural” place. So, if you drop a rock, it tries to return to the earth. Fire goes up because it’s trying to get to where it “wants” to live.

He thought eels didn’t procreate because no one had ever seen it happening. (They go out to sea to fuck.) He was into bees and correctly noticed that there were workers and drones and that young bees grow out of the honeycomb. But he just assumed the Queen was a King and that worker bees were out collecting tiny baby bees from flowers. (He thought the air just blew pollen around and the honey naturally appeared.)

He had a lot of ideas that were just ideas but he was so influential and his writings were preserved and translated. It took a shocking number of years for people to question if Aristotle was full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The worst part of it was that for a ton of stuff he had contemporaries that were right about much much more, but were dismissed in favor of his confidently incorrect BS.

For example the Epicureans, who thought matter was made of tiny indivisible parts, that light too was made of indivisible parts moving really fast, that each parent contributed to a "doubled seed" which determined the traits of the child and could bring back features of skipped generations, that the animals which we see today were just the ones that were best able to survive to reproduce, and that all of existence arose only from the random interactions of these indivisible parts of matter and not from any intelligent design.

And because Aristotle's stupid ideas influenced the lineage of modern thought, most people learn about him but very few learn about the other group that effectively preempted modern thought millennia earlier.

But he just assumed the Queen was a King

Actually, he acknowledged "some say" the Queen was female, but then argued it couldn't be because the gods don't give women weapons and it had a stinger. And the identification of the leader of the hive as male was actually used for centuries to justify patriarchal monarchy as being "by God's design" because after all, look at the bee hive (somehow when we realized it was actually a female that logic went up in smoke).

So there were other people that did know what was correct, but Aristotle screwed up the development of thinking around it by rationalizing an opposite answer with an appeal to misogyny.

Wild that he was only two degrees of separation from a teacher famed for praising the knowledge of self-ignorance and not falling into false positives and negatives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

"Element" is a fairly general word, we just generally use it colloquially to refer specifically to the chemical elements. If you interpret his usage in the same way we use "states of matter", it's not horrendously far off. Earth, water, air, and fire roughly correspond to solid, liquid, gas, and (extremely rudimentary, very low ionization) plasma (or perhaps a more general energetic concept). In any case, an object "wanting" to get to its "natural" place also isn't terribly far off from a statement of consistent physical laws. Solids do "want" to accumulate with other solids by gravity, energetic gases do "want" to rise above less energetic ones through buoyancy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Check out the history of bird migration science. There was everything from birds going to the moon for winter, swallows burrowing in the mud, transmorphing to different species, up to the 19th century

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The best thing to do when grandma dies is to keep her body under your bed!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The geocentric theory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Fat free food helps you keep from gaining weight.

It was a pretty straightforward theory, but it was totally wrong. And the sugar which took fat’s place is so much worse for keeping slim than fat is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don't know if anyone else has said it, but the belief that human illness and all that were caused by an imbalance of four bodily humors: black bile, yellow bile, blood, and phlegm. It's an old belief where the earliest I found it being practiced was around 400 B.C.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

witch burning

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