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[–] [email protected] 68 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

4G, 5G and now 6G are worthless if cell providers don't provide enough bandwidth to the towers. The range also keeps decreasing as the generations increase, so now there are these big gaps that 3G used to cover.

In my area, 5G is slower than 4G and both have lower signal and slower speeds than 3G used to have. I need a dual SIM phone and to constantly switch my phone between AT&T and T-Mobile, and both are crap. I only use about 1GB in total too, and I'm lucky if I can pull more than 1 megabit on either service. I miss 3G speeds, coverage, and competition.

Worst of all, AT&T is forcing home users to switch to a 5G hotspot from DSL. It's probably a big part of why the cell towers are always overloaded too. Imagine running your home internet on 1 megabit with constant drops...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

That thing with 3G sounds right. I usually switch to 3G when I want faster speeds than 4G, which gets me only around 1-3Mbps during the day in my location*. If I do want even faster speeds, I have to use the internet between 1-4am when I can reach pretty nice 40Mbps.

Unfortunately, when connected to 3G of Orange in national roaming, I can only use 20GB as stated in the FUP (my carrier doesn't offer 3G). However the carrier has confirmed they unofficially allow up to 40GB for some reason.
But that's not enough for me. I use around 80GB per month on mobile data, but sometimes I reach up to 150GB.

*In some areas with lower population (typically small villages), I get almost the maximum theoretical speeds of 75Mbps.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah but eventually they upgrade plus lots of them want to remove copper if they haven't yet and switch towers to fiber so I feel eventually it improves but yeah slower than expected.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

slower speeds than 3g

wtf that’s not even possible where even country how

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

5g home internet is not “1 megabit with constant drops” in my experience. I live in a large city in the US and on Verizon I get several hundreds down and 40-70 up depending on the time. I used to have T-Mobile which was worse, but still typically 200mbps down. There is packet loss but it is very low and not an issue. Upload is not great but much better than what the cable company offers. My parents out in the middle of nowhere were still able to get ~50-100 based on conditions. Even then, that’s a huge upgrade over most DSL services.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Most want ubiquitous and affordable/cheap mobile internet without the hassle of signing contracts. Moving tech tiers past 4G isn't relevant for consumers as of now.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Said the Phone/ISPs top earning guys while looking at their bank accounts extracts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I need some stocks for 6g developing/manufacturing corps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Samsung probably

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Why don't we just skip 6G and just go straight to 7G

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If they're going to skip anything, it's going to be 8.. Because 7, 8, 9!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Nah dude... That's why they skipped 9 because 7 ate it. 9 was never a viable option

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I mean, you might have a point there.

If seven ate nine, but you skip eight, it's all OK! Seven nine.

But.. But.. Seven ate nine.

You ate eight!

Seven nine!

Waaaahhh!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

They'll skip 9 as that seems to be Kryptonite to tech. Both Microsoft and Apple decided to skip straight from 8 to 10 with Windows and iPhone respectively.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (5 children)

If 5g makes the frog gay would 6g negate it?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Nah this will be something related with Satan and 666 and hell and so on.

The 6 Gs of the apocalypse. G G G G G G

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Gluttony, Gargoyle, Gollum, Ganesha, Gabriel, Gesus...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

It makes them trans

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Nah dude, this time it'll make the snakes gay. 7g will affect even more species, where the end goal is 10g: make the planet gay!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Well yes, since it makes the frog trans so it goes from gay to straight

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

With 4G covering all my needs flawlessly, idk if I'd need a new gen. With a laptop, probably, but a smartphone, or even tablet? Ping across the globe is a bigger offender than speeds. Having a 2-3 sec delay when calling anyone, even though having a smooth detailed picture, is more annoying than having a 480p and an instant response. Cloud gaming suffers from it too. But that's on ISPs, international lines, and that's harder to change than introducing the 6G in phones and local towers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

mmwave 5g has some incredibly low latency compared to 4g. You'd be surprised how much of your latency is just from you to the tower.

Right now when it's not busy mmwave 5g doing a speed test I have 45ms latency and 3ms of jitter. 4g is 54ms with 12ms of jitter. When the network is loaded there's a HUGE difference. 5g can handle so many more people at once so your latency is never really that high. But when 4g is loaded down latency gets huge fast.

Ping from china to me in the US is sub 250ms on my wired internet connection so that's not really the problem. The rest is whoever is doing your phone call.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Silicon Valley really wants to make XR a thing.

Current tech does not need 5G and the shit that they think will need 6G is just needless XR systems that will be steaming an unjustifiable amount of data from the "cloud".

The enshittification continues. Happy 2024 folks

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

When I had a Pixel 6, there was a bug that caused awful battery drain when on 5G, so I changed the preferred network setting to LTE for like a month while waiting for them to fix the issue.

It had NO effect on my regular use at all. Running speed tests showed that my max download speed was significantly slower while using LTE, but that's obviously not indicative of real world usage. If there was any difference between LTE and 5G in terms of page loading, media streaming, etc during regular daily activities, it wasn't perceptible.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

If the carriers keep offering 10GB per month or "unlimited" plans, why I would want to spend the whole big amount in 5 seconds?

I didn't see the point there.

From my humble POV they just want to advertise and marketing about they being the first ones in having 6G while the thing they should do it's INCREASE THE FUCKING DATA AMOUNT, PEOPLE(ME) NEED MORE DATA NOT SPEED TO SPEND THEIR DATA IN 5 SECONDS. DUMB MFS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

High speeds aren't just for you to destroy your data plan in 10 seconds.

It's for when everyone at the same time trying to download something so they can provide a good experience in the worst case scenarios.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The price per GB in the US is truly awful. I'm also not interested at all in higher speeds with a data plan that costs $1 per GB downloaded. Fuck that. Even in the third world it's not hard to find internet plans that cost a fifth of the ones t-mobile, att, etc offer you.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

We Moroccans don't even have 5G countrywide yet, and yet you guys are already prepping for 6G? At least wait for everyone to catch up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

No, most of us don't have 5G.

Att for instance has been telling their custumers for.2 years they were 5G but if you download a network scanner you will discover that 4G LTE is the Max that most Americans outside financial hubs have gotten.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

I have no 5G where I live. Maybe it's time to wait??

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Does this mean we can do proper voice over 4G already? Last time I heard it was just for the selected phone models with specific software.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Qualcomm is erect

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

GTA V has 9G LMAO

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

WE DIDN'T NEED 5G

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

it would be difficult to make it good

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think I might be the person who benefitted most from 5G. I live in mid-size city that gets overrun with tourists a few times a year. The speed upgrade hasn’t mattered much but it’s been awhile since I couldn’t get on the network because of capacity problems. It used to happen half the time I was in a crowd. LTE basically never worked well at big sporting events and concerts.

That might not be because of 5G tech, though. Maybe carriers just got better at deploying extra capacity for major events?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Excessive traffic, like sporting events, concerts, fairs, natural disasters etc. Are a lot of fun to engineer. A lot of times they will use a cell on wheels or COW. At first mobile operators didn't order a lot of these, but slowly increased their stock.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

For natural disasters they really should have made the text message system more resilient. Then if they had to cut data or voice service for non-emergency personnel, at least people could still communicate by text. Instead, they gave us video over text messages. Bah, humbug.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The fact that she's wearing a yellow shirt in the article thumbnail makes this just 👌

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RKc4QhMSFG8

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm barely getting a decent 4G connection. My phone does support 5G but I haven't even considered paying for it as I see no point. Even 3G is fast enough for my needs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

7g will summon a portal to hell!! Just you wait and see.

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.------------+-------+------------. .'`--. / \ .--' . : ". | | ." ; | "-. | | .-" | | )-. .-( | " | ". ." | " \ / "-.-" \ / ". | .-' '-. | ." \ | ." ". | / \ / .-" "-. \ / ".|.-" "-.|." ". ." "--.. ..--" '""-------""'

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I’m still waiting for 5G to revolutionize everything like every carrier promised it would.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Got to justify asking for more money to roll this shit out. Glad we get our moneys worth out of all that fiber we already paid for ...... Over and over and over again already. guess there's no limits when its not your money..

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