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PlayStation is erasing 1,318 seasons of Discovery shows from customer libraries | The change comes as Warner Bros. tries to add subscribers to Max, Discovery+ apps.::The change comes as Warner Bros. tries to add subscribers to Max, Discovery+ apps.

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[–] [email protected] 201 points 9 months ago (12 children)

So they’re taking shows away from people who have already purchased them and moving the shows to other services in order to try to make potential customers subscribe to more services?

Fuck those guys, especially for ripping off people who already paid for the content.

Here we go again. Instead of being forced to subscribe to shitty bundles of cable channels in order to get the channel you do want, we’re being forced to subscribe to multiple shitty services to get the shows we want.

This industry is a one-trick pony. Literally giving the worst service they can to force people to subscribe to more services.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Oh no, here I go pirating again!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Krombopulos Michael, the early years.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Welp time to start mass-buying dvd box sets and ripping the files, screw not owning shit you paid for

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Don't even waste your time and just go directly to the high seas. You'll get all the same quality content several orders of magnitude faster.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Personally I don’t mind paying for content I legit get to keep, so long as the cost is reasonable. Yeah, overpriced old movies or stuff you can’t find, sure. Hoist the flag, my friend.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Fuck those guys, especially for ripping off people who already paid for the content.

If either side cared about good customer service, they'd find a compromise. Either Sony would pay for the purchases and make it available under the new home at whatever the new sales-channel is called. Or, Warner Bros. Discovery would switch the licenses and make it available themselves.

Of the two options, Warner Bros. Discovery doing that would make the most sense. For them, it would have zero cost. They'd lose out on the potential to re-sell the same content to people twice, but they'd keep potential future customers happy by doing that. Especially true for people who had bought a few seasons of a show but hadn't finished it. They'd be incentivized to purchase future seasons using the new store.

The fact that neither side is willing to make these concessions shows just how little they care about their customers. They deserve all the copyright infringement they're about to see.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. Streaming services always seemed like gilded cages to me. You can only see what they allow you to see - piracy or old-school Netflix DVD delivery gives you all the options. The promise of being able to stream any content at any time, with the producers and people involved being able to get compensated fairly and justly, just isn’t reality with these ghouls running the show.

The model (in the current form, of artificially restricted licensing) seems like less a way to curate a media catalog, but more like a way to curate the subscribers and culture.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Fuck Warner Bros and Sony PlayStation for this.

But it's not just them, it's an entire industry. If you pay for media and you don't get it physically in full, or the ability to download it in a DRM-free portable format, remember that you don't own it. Only do it in the knowledge that some day you will not have it anymore.

There are other options available for you. BluRays, piracy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People need to start paying creators to make stuff for the public domain and refuse to pay to access anything that everyone doesn't have access to.

I've given Wikipedia money, I'll never pay for Netflix.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'd be a lot less bothered if the UI for services like Sony didn't use words like "buy" to describe what customers are doing when they pay for content. It would be a lot more honest to describe it as a rental for an indefinite time period. But of course then very few people would choose that option.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I agree, it feels like this is a place where the law or regulation needs to come in and enforce something like - rent vs lease vs buy.

The average consumer thinks "buy" means forever, and that's just not the case in these scenarios. It really is more like leasing it.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago

Fuck this shit.

If buying isn't owning. Piracy isn't stealing.

This is so anti consumer, I'm surprised the EU hasn't stepped in to stop it yet

[–] [email protected] 71 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If we break into people's homes and destroy their property, maybe they'll have to give us money to replace what was lost?

Why has no one come up with this business strategy before.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Seems like piracy is going to become fashionable again

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

Props to Sony and all related entities for endorsing it!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Loving it myself. Delving into the world of Plex and sailing the high seas. Just trying to figure out the best way to keep it organized and also standardizing subtitles for various video files.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Maybe I am underestimating the amount of people buying seasons of TV shows on PlayStation, but this seems like a lot of PR pain for very little potential upside.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm just surprised there are over 1,000 seasons of shows on discovery Channel... once you get past the gold mining, crab fishing, Mythbusting and sending people out into the wilderness naked, what's left?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I think WB is counting on people blaming Sony even though it seems like WB is the one who decided not to play nice.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago

If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If this isn't theft, then the inverse isn't either. Raise your flags, it's time once again to sail the high seas

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If paying for something dosent mean I own it, then piracy isn't stealing!

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Streaming services: if we take the shows they purchased away from them, then they HAVE to subscribe to our service! There's nothing they can do if they want to watch their shows, piracy is soooo 2008.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Im still trying to understand why this is legal. Is there more to the story that I'm missing?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Technically, when you buy a show or a movie you're buying a license to watch it. That license can be revoked at any time. This is true for physical and digital copies, it's just impossible for companies to revoke the license when you have a physical copy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Not the same in the EU as far as I know. Digital goods have to uphold a certain standard.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately we don’t all live in civilized places like the EU. Some of us live in “shithole countries,” like the United States.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

This might only affect US customers as these studios typically create separate licensing deals in each country. An example is when the new Star Trek shows began airing, everywhere in the world got to watch it on Netflix while US customers had to subscribe to CBS All Access (now Paramount+).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Now how is THIS legal? Wtf? So, basically you buy a car, pay it all of and the dealership can just come to your house and take it? This is basically the same. I paid for something to own. It should be mine forever.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

Damn. Maybe we shouldn't have downloaded cars. It's only fair that the capitalist collective should be able to delete our vhs and DVDs etc in return right?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is Warner Bros being the bad guys, but also Sony for not refunding people. Either way it doesn't matter consumers lose out, all the more reason to pirate.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I see where you are coming from. The original version of streaming Netflix was the answer to piracy. Good price and had all the content one wanted. Was also easy to use. The streaming wars proved competition isn't always the answer (I think this is the first time I've ever said that). Without that version of Netflix, the answer to piracy is gone...

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Keeping the money and yanking back the content it was used to purchase will surely entice those people to sign up for that Max/Discovery+ subscription.

Only an out of touch corporate stooge would see a logical through line there.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe more people would subscribe to discovery if the content wasn't so fucking abysmal. There's like 2 good shows on there, Mythbusters and how it's made

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate’s Life for Me 🏴‍☠️

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

PlayStation is erasing 1,318 seasons of Discovery shows from customer libraries | The change comes as Warner Bros. tries to add subscribers to Max, Discovery+

2 sentences, 5 names of different entities

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Two companies though, one with multiple business units under various names. Warner Bros. Discovery owns Warner Bros., HBO Max and Discovery.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


If you purchased any Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store, Sony has some bad news for you to discover.

The company recently announced that all Discovery content purchased on the PlayStation Store will be erased before 2024.

But there were users who had already purchased stuff from the PlayStation Store and, believe it or not, expect to be able to watch it when they want, since they paid money to buy (rather than rent) it.

Shows getting axed from user libraries include Wives With Knives, An Idiot Abroad, Evil Twins, and Body Bizarre.

But there are also plenty of more well-known titles on the list of purchased content being revoked, including American Chopper, Cake Boss, MythBusters, Shark Week, and Say Yes to the Dress.

That means there's a good chance numerous users will be affected by Sony's announcement.


The original article contains 332 words, the summary contains 138 words. Saved 58%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You will own nothing and you will love it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Never buying a TV show or movie I can't download ever again. Never have, but still, never again.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

So AOL bought Warner Brothers and initiated a paroxysm of "new media" hype way back in the 1900s. They had no fucking clue what to do so they sold it. AT&T bought it more recently and pretended like a technology company should own content until they too realized they had seriously fucked up.

Now right-wing "libertarian" David Zaslav is in charge of "Warner Brothers Discovery" and he could not give a flying fucking shit about content unless it's time to destroy wokeness at CNN again, which he's all about.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/15/magazine/david-zaslav-warner-media-discovery.html

I'm starting to think Warner Brothers is cursed. Like, Monkey's Paw cursed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

This is why anytime I buy content like this, I mirror it locally. DVDs, CDs, videos, music, whatever. GoG and Steam both allow local offline copies. Storage is cheap and not only can I continue to play these items if the store goes away, but I can also access them where and when I want thanks to things like Plex and Jellyfin.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Thermocline trust inversion, perfect example of why customer trust continues to erode and corporations continually lose credibility. Albeit Sony's not the only bad actor here, it's the overall agreements in place that were poor to begin with between businesses. The end result is a negative customer experience with all involved brands.

When the industry fails like this, we go back to incentivizing torrents.

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