I'm all for less bloat ware, but come one. The camera app or remote desktop are the least shitty ones. Its borderline to call them even bloatware.
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To be clear, they seem to be saying that those apps will still be preinstalled. They'll just be easier to uninstall if you want to do so.
"option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client. "
The more steam deck and proton get games working on linux, the less need I have for this bloated windows.
I made the switch and everything I want to play works. Some of it needed a bit of tweaking, though. Luckily instructions exist, and some began working with new Proton updates. It's a good time to be a gamer on Linux.
Yeah gamers are 95% good to switch.
Gamers and microshit have incompetiable values.
If devs started making anticheat for Linux it would get closer.
If they stopped making launchers it would be easier too.
how do i game on linux without a steam deck? (for windows games)
Is really just:
- Install any Linux Distro
- See if you have the drivers for your hardware already installed
- Install Steam
- Change the setting for Enable Steam Play on Steam
- Download the game and play it.
Of course, like in windows, something could go wrong and you need to tinker a little bit to fix it but for the vast majority is just like that.
Been a Linux-only gamer for a year now. The hype is real and PC gaming has changed forever. Most people just hesitate to actually leave Windows behind, but the grass on the other side is much, much greener.
It's truly ridiculous how much Linux gaming leapfrogged with the Steam Deck. I'm contemplating installing a debian partition for my main PC since I don't really play a lot of games that need anti-cheat.
The madlads really did it.
I just hope feature parity happens before MS make their move to reduce windows pcs to literally zero clients that simply stream ´your´ OS to your screen from the cloud.
Don’t need a pc for much but god damn if I don’t want to play my games on my pic when I want. Online, offline, whatever.
It's pretty much at parity. The only straggler I am aware of is ray tracing on the AMD side (supported on their driver package, but not yet with the driver included in the Linux kernel). I never use it anyway because I have a 6600 XT and don't want to play a slideshow.
They always knew, they just didn't care.
Im running Windows 11 on my new laptop. Every major update it's like:
- PLZ LET EDGE BE UR BROWSER
- BRO PLZ, OFFICE SUBSCRIPTION
- LOCATION?
- Let me just install tiktok and FB apps.
My laptop officially supports Ubuntu, think I might make the switch full time. I don't game on my laptop and most of it's use is browser, plex and emails...
Nobody wants a smartphone-like function on an OS for pc/laptop. Also giving users back the control over would be nice looking at you defender.
Tldr: Remote desktop, Cortana, camera, people app are all getting uninstall buttons.
Let's cut the crap: it's not that they "realized" nobody wants it -- it's that they've come to accept the blowback against their reputation has gotten too big to outweigh the potential pros of preinstalled bloatware supporting their strategy.
Good, maybe in two or three more years Windows 11 will be useable. Right on time for Windows 12 to roll out and drag Microsoft users back to the Stone Age again.
If the pattern holds Windows 12 might actually be good
I think Microsoft is too reliant on advertising money for this pattern to hold true anymore. The pattern reads like superstition in the first place.
It's the integrated AI spying on you that is real concern
a beta build of Windows 11 in the Canary Channel includes the option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client.
Still no Microsoft edge though...
No longer providing a browser with a consumer operating system is a bad idea. How would you install another browser?
They just need to stop plugging and advertising it so relentlessly.
The package manag- oh it's windows right
It has built in package manager now (winget install Mozilla.Firefox would install Firefox on clean Win11 installation).
So YoU hAvE tO uSe ThE cOmManD lInE
No, the cli is just a wrapper around the microsoft store app
Fun fact: Every Windows command line command actually just spams xdotool through the X11 server on WSL in order to do the equivalent action through the Windows GUI.
Excuse me, more info on this, some sources? Thank you very much for your time.
Oh. Funny. I was actually wondering when I posted this if anyone would take me seriously— ~~Though I was imagining my abusers pretending to take it seriously in bad faith in order to hurt my credibility, and then how I would then have to explain myself to well-meaning people who might just be less familiar with the Linux-side systems I mentioned.~~
I was joking. Saying cmd.exe uses WSL→X11→xdotool→GUI to operate is a bit like saying "Every Toyota is secretly powered by a tiny little Honda with a tiny little man driving on a treadmill that's connected to the wheels under the hood". (xdotool is basically just a keyboard and mouse macro thing— So maybe you can imagine how silly it would be if you typed in cd or ls/dir or whatever and it just took over control of your mouse and clicked on the "File Explorer" from the "Start Menu".) It would be such an absurd and Frankensteinian design that I find the thought of it intrinsically funny.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
uh ok. it was... strange indeed. Couldn't wrap my head around that wsl... you really left me confused ah ah. also, I couldn't catch all of the joke complexity in more than one glance ah ah. oh god, gotten really slow....
I ignore them. Since January 2022 I've used exclusively macOS & Linux and you can't go wrong with that. macOS for my daily driver work laptop (M1 MacBook Pro) and Arch Linux for my home server, though I do enjoy using it a lot for work and if this mac ever stops working I will definitely build a framework Linux laptop. Nothing comes close to FoSS, don't have to put up with most of this proprietary business-oriented software.
Once I cared about preinstalled bloatware. As long as it is inactive and small I stopped caring. The named apps together aren't even 200MByte.
Is there something like LTSC/LTSB for Windows 11?
I have Win10LTSC installed on a separate partition for games and the thought of having to "upgrade" to Windows 11 at some point in the future is nightmare inducing.
Alternatively, you can get a copy of Win 10 LTSC that doesn't have any bloatware pre-installed.
That cool. So stuck on a decade old OS.
Windows is a cancer y’all let run rampant while worrying about side loading, App Stores and removable batteries.
Meanwhile MS has doubled down on their monopoly, all the while going all in on the “Windows as service”, which as many of you have discovered, is about ads and telemetry over actual improvements to the core OS.
flips water bottle
I have to use Adobe Creative Suite for my job. By have to, I mean have to, because I get client files that are in proprietary formats, and my RIP software is only available for PC. It doesn't matter if I would prefer going back to XP, or even 3.1; that's simply not an option for me professionally.
Also, my work station doesn't belong to me, and you can be that if I changed the OS to a linux distribution I'd be looking for a new job pretty goddamn fast.
So much drama. Anyone still using Windows must not dislike the behavior enough to switch.
I've used Linux for over 10 years now because I disliked this Microsoft culture even back then with Windows 8 or whatever it was back then. Why are people still using Windows today when Linux is easier than ever?
Windows 7 was a good OS, it tended to not spy on the user. You can see the difference in installation options if you put it into a virtual machine and run it. Compare with today's windows.
Then compare Linux distros 10 years ago with current ones. Only gotten easier to use and much better looking.
Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux's "oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don't worry I've prevented it".
But also it's really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn't actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.
Linux never prevents you from installing anything. What distro was this and what happened? :)