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This meme is from 2004. History repeats itself.

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[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's important to note that the real disparity may be even far worse.

OCHA-OPT (the committee gathering this data) is strict about verifying validity of Palestinian casualties, requiring two independent, verified and non-affiliated sources. Casualties in Israel, however, they trust the media at face value. They also exclude a lot of Palestinian casualties even when verified in certain situations. Example, and I quote them:

People who were killed or injured in conflict-related incidents that took place in Israel and did not involve residents of the oPt are also excluded.

oPt (occupied Palestinian territories) are the areas that Israel does not directly oversee. So most of Israel is not oPt by their criteria.

Israel is notorious for restricting journalists reporting on Israeli crimes, and has murdered journalists countless of times, like last year the Christian Palestinian Shireen Abu Akleh reporting on the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Sheikh Jarrah (so not even in a war zone area). This causes many casualties to go unverified and thus undocumented.

And Israel has been caught lying before about its own casualties, like the 40 beheaded babies.

Take that as you will.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That 2023 number is about to get way more lopsided.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It isn't anti-Semitism to criticize israel, it's just noticing the obvious.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are criticisms that are antisemitic. This isn't one of them, though.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My favorite was when Bernie Sanders was called antisemitic for criticizing Israel. His response was something along the lines of "It isn't antisemitic to criticize a right-wing government in Israel." It must've taken all the patience in the world to not add "you fucking toolbags".

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (31 children)

I'm mostly pro Palestine, but using this picture with the subtitle 'history repeats itself' and therefore portraying what happened at the festival, and the other slaughter missions as a tiny goofy missile, feels kinda disproportionate. Don't you think?

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children)

No. Hundreds of thousands will die in response to hundreds dying. The comic is still fully accurate even if "a single missile" is still condemnable.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (24 children)

"history repeats itself" as in the people who only condemn needless killing when Hamas does it, but ignore the Palestinian cause the rest of the time.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Dafuq is this meme? civilians are civilians, regardless of the country religion or whatever the duck they're born in.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

If civilians are civilians...

"Amongst Israelis, 69% of those killed were civilians and 31% members of the IDF. The number of Israeli civilians killed, from attacks by Palestinian armed groups or individuals, has declined steadily, peaking in 2002 at an average of 22 deaths per month, and dropping markedly to an average of one civilian per month in 2007. 6/

In contrast to Israeli figures, however, Palestinian civilian fatalities have remained high. Palestinian civilians, killed by Israeli security forces, peaked with an average of 35 deaths per month in 2002, and again in 2004. In 2007 they dropped slightly to an average of ten civilian deaths per month."

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208380/

Both sides kill civilians with abandon, and Israel is markedly better at it. Major media doesn't seem to care very much about Palestinian civilians though.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I completely agree with you. Which is why when you look at the grotesque number of civilians Israel kills every year it's pretty easy to condem them.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think I'm going to take an extended break from Lemmy. People are treating a 70+ year political quagmire like a football match, where they pick a side and then morally grandstand about how awful the other side is. Fuck all of you.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree with the comic. I do however disagree with the title. I think the Hamas' attack shouldn't to be called "resistance", just as Israel's response shouldn't be called "self defense".

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Upvote this to the front page so that lemmy world sees it.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (19 children)

This is highly misleading. Hamas is not palestine and vice versa. What israel is fighting against is hamas, who are cowardly hiding behind civilians. The only reason the israeli can survive thousands of rocket launch from hamas over the years was because of their superior defence system. Hamas' own rocket sometimes fell into their own territory, killing palestinian, but many people would just shut their eyes to this.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, both Hamas and Israeli leadership should be prosecuted for war crimes

I just think this situation shouldn't have even been reached in the first place...

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Is this cartoon originally about the US invading the middle east? Looks like the twin towers in there.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Take a look at this guy's other Palestine Israel Post and decide if you wanna upvote this terrorist enjoyer.

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