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I did not realize this was a thing until I just switched to AZERTY which... despite being marketed as being "similar" to QWERTY, is still tripping me up

Edit: since this came up twice: I'm switching since I'm relocating to the French-speaking part of the world & I just happened to want to learn the language/culture, so yeah

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

i've used dvorak but I plan to switch to a charachorder

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Standard US Dvorak, but with the modification of using Caps Lock as Compose key so that I can type øæåØÆÅ when I need to.

I made the switch in 2011, but I never bought into the typing-speed claim. Typing speed be damned, it's just so much more comfortable this way.

Background:
I grew up with scandinavian keyboard layout in the 90s, but then two things happened almost at the same time:

  • I fucked up my msdos config, resulting in me having to use the default US layout
  • I became interested in coding.
    It didn't take long to notice how much better US layout is once you need access to {, }, and @, so I became familiar with it. For a long time I swapped bac and forth depending on what I was doing. Then one day around the time when Walter White blew up Gustavo Fring it dawned on me out of the blue that qwerty was somewhat cumbersome, and I would most likely be using a keyboard recreationally and professionally for the rest of my life, so I might as well try to see if I could get used to something more comfortable.

Downside: Took me a while to get used to it. 6 months or so. A little more than that and my typing speed was up to what it used to be.
Upsides: More comfortable, Nobody wants to borrow my computer, and shoulder surfers have NFI what my password is based on what I'm typing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

QWERTZ because I've been living my whole life in Austria and this was always the default. Every time something is set to QWERTY (and my keyboard is still physically QWERTZ), I have no idea where most of the special characters are and have to mash the keyboard in order to find them. I know @ is shift-2 and / is to the left of the right shift key, but most of the others, uh...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Thought I was. Must've been a couple of duplicate comms on other instances.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

😱 How can someone use this?

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I retrained myself in Dvorak many years back, and really enjoyed using it much better than QWERTY. I had to revert back to qwerty because of commercial standardizations/limitations at different workplaces, unfortunately.

All that to say that workman layout seems even better after reading that article. I don't really see myself making the effort to switch again, but I enjoyed reading about it. Thanks for sharing.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Colemak. Fingers move around less than QWERTY.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Dvorak with caps lock as a dead key here. No programmer's Dvorak despite being a programmer... Never quite made the leap

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Qwertz.

I teu tried neo couple of years ago but did not use it long enough to get proficient.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

AZERTY Belgian, Flemish style

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Ortholinear Dvorak.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I use EurKey, it's neat when you occasionally need special umlauts. https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Yep I switched from quertz to this because the symbols used in coding are Ansi QWERTY derived. Can still write German and get brackets on layer 0 best of both worlds.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

QWERTZ. Like QWERTY, but Y and Z exchanged, and some extra letters. Biggest difference to an English keyboard are the non alphabethical, non numerical characters. In comparison, they are all in different places.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't use it, but Slovak QWERTZ is the standard in my country. But using it feels like a pain in the ass (for me). Some characters need ctrl+alt rather than just shift, others may only be written with alt codes, at least on Windows...

Part of my graduation exam was literally to just type \ % @ & on a computer. Thankfully for me, settings wasn't blocked, so I just added US layout.

If I need some slovak characters I do either one of the following:

  1. Say "fuck it" and write it without diacritics ("like SMS")
  2. If needed in forms, use KCharSelect
  3. Smartphone virtual keyboard
  4. Like 1 but printed on paper with diacritics added using a pen
  5. Write it in English even if I am not supposed to and wait for the outcome
  6. Write it in English, pipe it to Google Translate (I find writing in English mostly easier anyway - doesn't mean I am good at it)
  7. Write it in English, (attempt to) translate it myself
  8. Good ol' pen 'n paper all the way (I mean, I've got a fountain pen too)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

have you tried the eurokey layout? At least for German it has all the relevant characters easily reachable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

For Chinese (10 key) and Japanese (kana)I use a 3x3 on my phone. Very common for Japanese but difficult to learn, maybe less common in Chinese over standard qwerty.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Split Colemak on an Iris keyboard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I have a fully custom keyboard layout on my split ergo keyboard, makes it really hard to work on somebody else's machine!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I've been slowly, and I mean slowly, trying to pick up steno. I get the occasional moment where I go super quick, but mostly it's just 1-10wpm at the moment. When I actually want to get stuff done I switch to QWERTY

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Moved from AZERTY to QWERTY last year

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Now I'm wondering if other typing layouts are better or worse for people who use swype, swiftkey etc. Maybe those need character separation to function best?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I am moving from AZERTY to bépo with futo keyboard but i want to try ergo-l

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Non-qwerty trips me up too x3.. I considered using ąžerty before cause certain symbols can be annoying with qwerty in my language, since you need to hit 3 buttons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Dvorak. My fourth year of college I found myself with some time and decided to finally learn to touch-type. No regrets, I love it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There's a variant of AZERTY devised by the AFNOR ( french standardisation agency) that improves on a lot of ways on the legacy AZERTY, by grouping accents, parentheses, quote marks, etc. and making keys combinations a lot less common. It would be quite easier to learn than standard AZERTY, and it's quite easy to learn for regular AZERTY users too. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to find a keyboard or even keycaps with the corresponding markings. Drivers are available by following the link if you want to try it for yourself.

It looks like this :

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As for myself, I touch type in French on a QWERTY keyboard with an AZERTY letters layout, because even legacy AZERTY keycaps are not that common, and neither are ISO enthusiast segment keyboards.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

LDLC (online shop) has those new keyboards, but I don't know if its worth it since the problem with all the standard layouts are the location of the letters in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They used to but it's not for sale anymore. It was a really cheap membrane keyboard anyway, so not something I would want to use. I'm actually fine with the location of the letters, it's the illogical distribution of parentheses, slashes, quotation marks, square brackets etc. that I find irritating in AZERTY. I wouldn't want to relearn it from scratch, I just wish I could get my hands on some quality new AZERTY keycaps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Some cursed variant of dvorak with both common programming symbols and the local extra letters on accessible keys.

I switched because I got tired of the {}[] being on alt+gr combinations on the Nordic qwerty

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Since I'm German I used to exclusively use qwertz, but now I use both qwertz and qwerty with qwerty being my main when docked.

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