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[–] [email protected] 172 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

So glad people finally waking up to these things being power plays.

Republicans, Evangelical Christians, and now Techbros are all running on the same script which boils down to "rules for thee, not for me."

Being a hypocrite is simply showing others you have the power to be a hypocrite and all they can do is get mad and stomp their feet. It's why the right wing loves to "trigger liberals." It's not even about actual politics or religion anymore, it's just simply "might makes right."

These are expressions of power, plain and simple. They should always be viewed as such.

I mean, so many companies pirated tons of materials to train their LLMs and they are making way more money than the guys at the Pirate Bay ever did. It's almost like because the guys at the Pirate Bay were making small potatoes money that they were worth going after. It's almost like if you crime big enough, the world will just pat you on the back and say "good job" instead.

Meta was literally caught downloading Anna's Archive and the widely used by nearly every AI company books3 corpus was everything from private torrent tracker Bibliotik. Why do they get different treatment? They are leveraging the same pirated works to make money, which was the whole argument for throwing the Pirate Bay admins behind bars for laws that didn't actually exist in their home country, that they were profiting from piracy. The LLM companies just are making way more money so it's let go for some reason.

It's a power play, to show little people can't get away with it, but if you've got millions in venture capital at your back, you can do whatever the fuck you want and people will praise you for it.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago

We're living through the return of the robber barons. This time, however, they can implant their thoughts directly into every single person's hands at any instant. That's why your point is the most salient, most important, and most downplayed

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree on the double standard. I also think there's an element of Cory Doctorow's point that "it's not a crime of we do it with an app."

Running an unlicensed taxi service or hotel business? No no we're not criminals, we're disrupting stagnant markets!

https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/25/potatotrac/

It's basically a blanket pass for tech bros to bend and break laws

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But they don't have to rely on personal connections to rig the price of potatoes: they do it through a third-party data-broker called Potatotrac. Each cartel member sends all their commercially sensitive data – supply costs, pricing, sales figures – to Potatotrac, and then Potatotrac uses that data to give "advice" to the cartel members about "optimal pricing."

This is the real sick stuff, same with RealPage. They're just offering a service that could allow the businesses they serve to collude, but because they're just doing it through a third party service it's suddenly not collusion.

Doctorow pretty spot on as usual. I'm glad he's come a long way, because I actually kind of disliked his writing on Boing Boing in the early 2000's because he often got some simple facts wrong. He's much more thorough and rigorous now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

This kind of price-fixing was central to the enforcement actions of the Biden administration's trustbusters at the FTC, and their investigations and actions inspired state AGs and private parties to bring their own antitrust suits.

Saddest part of that article. We had someone trying to end this shit, and you brainwashed fuckers hated him for it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Steal $5 and they shoot you down in the street.

Steal $5,000 they throw you in jail.

Steal $500,000 and they give you a fine.

Steal $50,000,000 and they name a building after you.

Steal $50,000,000,000 and they make you king.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

White collar crime is always ignored as long as it doesn’t rock the boat too much or isn’t stealing money from the wealthy.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 1 week ago (6 children)

OpenAI picked Studio Ghibli because Miyazaki hates their approach.

I highly doubt it. They picked it because the Ghibli style is very popular among users. There’s also no reason to believe that it violates “democratic values”. Since it’s popular, the general population is voting that they LIKE it, not that they oppose it.

Downvote me all you like, but this is trying to put a lot of malice where the simpler explanation is just “money”.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah it's not like this is the only way to generate the style, it's relatively simple to even do it locally. It's just popular

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah the text makes many freestyle assumptions, although the overall sentiment is correct that these big companies and especially egocentric billionaires do stuff to trigger others simply for power display. I believe the text linked about it being a distraction for the new round of funding is the real reason.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

no reason to believe it violates "democratic values"

In my country the law is one of the pillars of democracy, but you do you 👍

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The law very, VERY often violates the democratic choices of the people in the United States. That’s what you get when you do FPTP voting schemes.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That linked X post from the White House at the end leaves me speechless.
Utterly inhumane

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

We as the people of the united States have to do something. If you aren't part of a movement yet join one, anyone, most of them are communicating with each other at this point.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What kind of article is this? They misattributed a quote, then admitted the misattributed the quote, then doubled down on it, and then threw in a political message.

People, this is rage bait. It's yellow journalism. Don't fall for this shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Thank you omfg I thought I was losing my mind with these comments. the article was a super weird angry read.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Will you guys shut up about this?

There are genuinely some big issues with AI that need to be addressed but they are drowned out by morons melting down over people making dumb little Ghibli style images for their own amusement.

Shout about insurance companies using AI to auto dent people's medical claims, not about some dude Turnjng a picture of his cat into anime style

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Its attacking on a cultural front and we will move on in a week. People still care more about insurance companies, trust me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There is another aspect of this also. I could generate Ghibli style images a few years ago using better image generation models like stable diffusion or Midjourney. OpenAI is so lagging behind in terms of image generation it is comical at this point. But they get all the media coverage for these things as if they are inventing something out of thin air.

Most governments ignored the IP issues when other models were already doing these violations. Professionals are not using OpenAI. OpenAI only makes it so that these products reach big audiences. Then they become extremely accessible with the downside being that they are dumbed down. Thus, losing a lot of functionality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

This is what billionaires and major corporations are doing now and have been doing for a long time. Do you remember Titan sinking? What was so incredible is that the founder and CEO of Oceangate was acting like A: No one has ever gone to the Titanic before, and B: submarine travel is somehow a brand new thing that was just being invented by HIM.

This was utter bullshit on so many levels. James Cameron even spoke about how horrendous his assessment of the situation was, saying that the Titanic site is actually one of the riskier shipwrecks to go down to, which is why it needs to be approached with caution (which Oceangate did not care about), and that submarine travel is a very mature science and what the idiot CEO was doing wasn't simply a bad idea in general, but he believed he could violate the laws of physics.

You can break the laws and rules of society, but you cannot break the laws of physics. If you jump off the top of a skyscraper, no amount of arm flapping will make you fly.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sucks because ghibli has always been really protective of its ip and in the future it maybe made harder and harder to watch it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Figures. The wealthy could never fully buy power with just wealth, there was always someone smarter that was a threat. Now, they can just buy intelligence, thanks to AI, and crush everything else with their sheer weight.

Is this the great filter? The ultimate fate of all species?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

No the great filter is quite a lot more basic than that, things like unstable atmospheres, cosmic ray bursts, collisions, etc.

You're on the right track though

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did they specifically allow "Ghibly style?" Or did they just loosen the restrictions on asking for styles in general, and Ghibly style just turned out to be the popular one that memes started snowballing around?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For the longest time OpenAI’s systems would try to block people from generating images in the style of certain artists. This was obviously for copyright reasons, the didn’t want to get sued (even more than they already are). Which is something they just changed very explicitly. You can now easily generate stuff in the style of Studio Ghibli and Sam Altman made his avatar on X-The Nazi Network a ghiblified version of himself.

I don't have specifics if they have allowed other styles to be used now, too. I don't use this nonsense, but it's clear that Ghibli was put front and center.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, I read the article. But it doesn't answer my question. Did OpenAI specifically enable Ghibli style, or did it remove the restrictions in general?

Everyone's pulling out Miyazaki's out-of-context quote about procedural animation and are interpreting this as some kind of personal attack against him in particular because of it, but unless OpenAI specifically made Ghibli style available without lifting restrictions on others I don't see a reason to assume that.

Also, an article that calls X "The Nazi Network" is not exactly the most reliable source. This isn't even about X.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/chatgpt-wont-copy-artist-styles-including-jim-lee-frank-frazetta/

This suggests that all they've ever actually been doing is blocking keywords of artists names, and that it has always been trivial to get around such restrictions if you know how to prompt correctly.

I can't find anything about Ghibli or Miyazaki's names being on that restricted list.

Also if keyword blocking is the best they could muster, they were never serious about blocking certain styles.

From the article listed, a quote from ChatGPT:

Our policy restricts creating images in the style of artists, creative professionals, or studios whose latest work was created after 1912. Jim Lee's work falls well after this cutoff date, hence the inability to generate an image based on his style

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, but the point I'm trying to ask about is whether they're treating Ghibli specially here. People are reacting as if OpenAI is thumbing its nose specifically at Miyazaki here, whereas the impression I've got is that they simply opened the floodgates and dropped restrictions on styling in general.

Style has never been covered by copyright to begin with, so any concerns they might have had about being sued over style would have always been erring on the side of caution. They may simply think that the legal environment has calmed down enough that they won't be inundated with frivolous lawsuits any more.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If Disney can't sue for this, then what exactly would be too far? We're a few steps from being able to animate our own movies in Disney style.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Too far would be anything outside of fair use. If a user generates an image of a specific copyrighted character, then attempts to make money off of that image, they could be sued.

You can't copyright a style, but there's still a lot of legal grey area here.

It's also worth noting that OpenAI has an indemnification clause in their Terms of Use. This means that if someone else goes after OpenAI for something that went viral and was created by a specific user, OpenAI can then turn around and bill that user for all legal fees incurred by them (whether they win or lose the case).

If anyone is into using AI for anything, I would strongly suggest that they avoid using (or at least publishing/posting about) any of OpenAI's tools especially while all of these legal issues are still being sorted out.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ai is like a tool from the future given early to a society of unevolved people. It doesn't fit the structure of our civilization yet. Until human beings unfuck their animalistic selves it is going to be negative.

If there was universal income, and people didn't need to work to survive, then Ai would work with society and peoples ideas would grow at a fast rate excelling humanity's manual creation. Kind of like China's IP laws and the growth of tech due to the ability to use other people's creations to build upon.

Also this reminds me of hip-hop and sampling other musicians music.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I feel like they're reading too much into this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Title made by the least pretentious American liberal

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I say this as someone who frequently uses generative ai, and actively chooses to pay for the service.

Fuck openai.

This company has utterly failed to fulfill their mission statement, and they will be unable to make right by humanity until ALL software they have created is available to the public as FOSS (free and open source software). Openai claimed that this is exactly what they were going to do, and then they just didn't. So fuckem.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

You can eat at McDonald's and call it food, but that doesn't make it true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Is it really a 'move to allow' style prompts? They're just no longer preventing people from doing that.

It's weird that people who profess to be staunch defenders of art don't understand that stealing styles is fundamental to art. If enough people steal a specific style then art history just labels it a 'movement'. Look on this page: https://magazine.artland.com/art-movements-and-styles/ and you can see that the thing they're describing is a lot of people copying the same style.

Drum and Bass, a music genre, was essentially built on a """""stolen"""" clip from The Winstons in a song called Amen, Brother. The Amen break (you've certainly heard it even if you don't know the name) is copied over and over and over.

This is just the latest social media trend trying to shoehorn issues into the 'AI-bad' meme. Stealing styles is not unusual or even immoral. It is literally the foundation of art.

This is just outrage farming, because 1. People are familiar with this style and 2. The primary artist who made the style popular is against AI.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

An insult to life itself.

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