This might get a lot of down votes but I want to say I don't think it's fair to blame the soldiers in the field for the choices of the decision makers in the office. Those horrible events were unwanted 'byproducts' of the goal of men with evil plans, they were not veterans going off-book. In other words, these veterans did what was asked of them. I'm not saying they didn't do some very bad things, but they aren't the people that should be 'thanked'.
In German penal law there were discussions on how to treat those that act under orders. Many Germans did act under orders and even in accordance to law in WW2 but also in regard to the MauerschĂĽtzen (the soldiers that shot dissidents at the inner German border)- meaning that there were difficulties persecuting them as it was technically legal. There were way too few persecutions, however something called the Radebrechtsche formula was developed. Paraphrasing it says, something that is morally wrong to every morally thinking being cannot be legalized or excused. It is simply illegal to act on orders that are naturally wrong.
Sure, but how many 18 year old boys were convicted for being conscripted into the Wehrmacht?
The US uses economic coercion to force poor kids into joining. They give veterans a massive priority bump for public sector jobs and the GI Bill is often the only way poor kids can afford college.
Also, the US military uses far more obfuscation than the Nazis used. When I was in the Air Force, I worked in geo-spatial intelligence which was mostly extracting heat signatures from satellite collected data. They kept us in the dark on what our intel was being used for. All I knew was that our intel was helping to save the lives of our fellow soldiers somehow and that the government would pay for my college when I was done.
In the aftermath of World War II, Carl Jaspers formulated in Die Schuldfrage that there are four types of guilt (/responsibility). Criminal guilt, political guilt, moral guilt, and metaphysical guilt. It is a great distinction in general. Yes, political leaders bear a different kind of guilt for the actions than the soldiers, but acting on clearly morally wrong commands do not obliterate guilt from the soldiers. Just like everyone who basically didn't give their life in pursuit of the good and the right bears some metaphysical guilt for what is happening in the world.
The mods at non credible defence aren't going to like this.
What even is the purpose of that sub?
Fetishizing NATO, basically.
Spreading war propaganda
They might still cum from the top left one
I wish I could post this here in Australia without getting rocks from every white Australian. You can search my post history to see their reaction to questioning this.
Australia was involved in every one of those crimes. And the celebration for those meaningless murders are everywhere. Questioning this is questioning the sacrifice of Jesus.
Though by order of our north american overlords the US should not be alone in that title.
We really need to separate the trauma that formed the ANZAC legend from the fuckos of any warfare since.
My great-grandfather was an ANZAC - actual, WWI, 23rd Battalion, 16 year old. I knew him extremely well, I was sixteen when he passed. I had a front row seat to what happened to those kids for the rest of their lives.
I don't fucking venerate servicemen.
The amount of cope in this thread is astonishing. I never thought I'd see an actual person justifying killing hundreds of thousands of civilians with a straight face. But here we are
Hollywood conditioned americans to believe they are heros and world savers. They cant grow up out of that for some reason. They also deeply believe that their lives is worth more than others.
In a poll I saw recently, most countries of the world voted the US as the biggest threat to world peace.
They are killing Yemeni civilians as we speak now.
US veteran is going to be treated the same as Nazis as soon as the US will implode and stop controlling the media (the orange clown is already making this process faster).
People got mad at this one streamer for saying American soldiers deserve PTSD. When you consider that most interventions by the US are not justified or just imperial power plays, and that many soldiers commit war crimes, you realize she has a point.
Every US soldier signed up for killing, they deserve whatever they get.
ACAB includes the troops. Going to foreign countries to shoot brown kids doesn't make you any less of a bastard than doing it at home.
I don't think any cops have been drafted into police service. They also don't go to jail if they quit their job. And I haven't heard of police recruiters using predatory tactics and targeting disadvantaged groups. The military does, or has done, all of those things to recruit troops.
If you chose to go kill and uphold imperialist aggression rather than just go to jail then you are in fact a bastard
Why would we celebrate LOSERS and SUCKERS?
The only accurate thing Trump ever said
reminds me of how they always try to justify the nuking of japan cities that had hundreds of thousands of civillians (twice even)
“Protecting freedom” by torturing and bombing people halfway across the world
There is absolutely no reason to blindly respect someone just because they’ve “served their country.” We don’t know what they’ve done. We have so many examples of soldiers doing horrible things to civilians around the world that blind respect is simply not warranted.
If you think the Things the US did as a democracy we're Bad Just wait and See what autocracy will bring.
Gonna be interesting who's gonna suffer more. It's own population or the others.
usa: summons cthulhu to bring destruction of the universe
people: what if it was a republican, things would be worse
Did fighting Nazis go out of fashion again?
The US was never really that against them. Their motivation in WW2 was not nearly as morally perfect as they like to pretend.
