this post was submitted on 06 Oct 2023
84 points (80.9% liked)

Ask Lemmy

26753 readers
1796 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions

Please don't post about US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either [email protected] or [email protected]. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

the pandemic making people realize - oh shit they can just grind all this to a halt with the push of a button

the recent election frauds / riots / etc in the US, global warming / severe weather increasing, capitalism getting more and more ruthless, everything sucks more and costs more....

it feels so weird that it's 2023 and we still care about dress codes or professionalism, at the same time. because it sort of feels like we're in the beginning of a movie waiting for the bad thing to happen

all 37 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like it or not, this is the curse of modern media and, in particular, social media (including Lemmy). Boring details don’t get clicks or upvotes. Hype does. If you spend much time being exposed to one sensational headline, article or discourse after another, you’re going to have a much different view of the world than those who don’t.

If you don’t believe me, walk away from internet media and cable news networks for two weeks. I guarantee you’ll notice some change in your perspective and, possibly, an even see improvement in your overall mental health.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Block subs that spew poisonous vitriol...but also block subs that mindlessly preach to the choir or are just repeating things you already know or agree with like political memes you already agree with. It's a cheap laugh or endorphin or rage hit but updooting accomplishes fuckall. Once you generally figure out how the news is presented to business interests/the public/labor there isn't a ton to be gained in any particular story other than...where do I file this latest entry of epistemology?

There is an easily avoided line when once you understand how the board is set, to enjoy the comprehension of position rather than to further develop.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

I'd say this comes down to people being less involved in their local communities. In an advanced economy, people work specialized jobs and use the money they earn to buy whatever they need. While this is efficient, it's not a great way to get to know your neighbours. Communities don't come together to raise a barn, a farmer just hires a construction company to do that.

There isn't really an incentive to make friends with the people around you, since it's not like being everyone's favourite will pay for your rent or groceries! It seems to me like the more pressure there is to make money, the less incentive there is to make friends.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Old person here: No, people have always been like this. Honestly, there's always some sort of fear about the world ending: Nuclear war, terrorist attacks, active shootings, climate disasters, etc.

The world isn't going to end any time soon, it's just going to change. Though humans may or may not be around for the rest of the ride in the long run, that will be well after you and I are gone.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, an old person. I think the difference this time is twofold.

The people in charge are clearly crazy and in some cases unwell. The general enshitification of life. Ordinary every day things are much worse but more expensive.

I agree it won’t end but society as we knew it ten years ago (a hope that the future would be better, the big problems could be tackled) is finished.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'll tell you a secret, it has always felt like the end of the world is coming. It's been a constant throughout history. People will always look around and say "well this whole thing is all going to hell". This will never change and it has more to do with individual human psychology than the state of society.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My parents disagree. When they were my age everything was optimistic, except for some half imagined boogeyman of the cold war, which no one cared about day to day.

Today is worse for more people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now we have cops that think they are in a war with society. They steal, lie, murder and kidnap people just to buy more weapons to use against us. We are the new boogeymen.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

The world has been ending my entire life LOL, it's a never ending shit show. Always has been, always will be. The only thing that's changed is we carry a device in our pockets enabling us to obsess over it 24/7 now. I'm not saying it's not worth paying attention to issues, just don't let it get to you. We are aware of everything at all times now but our ability to affect things stays the same for most of us and that fosters hopelessness.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I agree with your observations in general. I think everyone's behavior is less tied to the whole end of the world thing and just a demonstration of how late stage capitalism has dissolved so many social structures that general social cohesion is starting to unravel.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It must be a localised thing because I am not seeing any of what you describe where I live.

Things are back to the way they were before covid.

No better but certainly no worse.

There is tonnes of doom and gloom online but I see little to none of it talking to the people in the community around me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I see little to none of it talking to the people in the community around me.

the slow boiled frog doesn't hop out of the pot. I think there's a tremendous amount of dismay in the scientific community that's not coming across in the media. The main outlet I don't see downplaying the issue is the Guardian, here are some examples of their reporting on the actual climate researcher's reactions:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/05/gobsmackingly-bananas-scientists-stunned-by-planets-record-september-heat

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/27/arctic-warming-scientists-alarmed-by-crazy-temperature-rises

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/07/why-scientists-are-using-the-word-scary-over-the-climate-crisis

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a buyer for a large food distributor, so my job is importing food from around the world. There is definitely a lot of worrying conversation at work everyday. So many crop failures and shortages. I think a lot of people are oblivious to these things, they just see the price of tomatoes go up and think we're being greedy when actually it's because whole crops have failed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, it doesn't help that grocers are facing the pinch from supply, while also simultaneously jacking up prices internationally on all kinds of commodities that aren't threatened. Prices have risen, but so has profit taking by billionaire assholes.

https://www.vox.com/money/23641875/food-grocery-inflation-prices-billionaires

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the slow boiled frog doesn’t hop out of the pot.

yes, it does. That is the worst smart sounding metaphor that gets used again and again. While being complete bullshit.

Several doom is coming links.

Yep. Human civ is basically fucked.

The three choices you have are:

euthanasia

Complain about it every waking minute.

Or try to find some happiness in the meantime.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

fuck that. fuck everything about crying, killing yourself or ignoring the issue.

what an example for your kids. we should be tearing the doors off of the petroleum companies, forcing them to stop the disinformation, tearing down the super pacs that they fund and basically anything would be better than your proposals.

fuck everything about that defeatist bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I chose not to have kids to lessen my climate impact 25+ years ago. That way my climate impact dies with me. It is the biggest emissions reduction any person can make.

You do what ever you want, though you seem to be complaining quite a lot about my choices and that others may complain or chose to end their climate impact on their own terms.

I live simply, no car, public transport only. My phone is 7 years old, my pc is 10.

etc etc etc

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't look up. Or down. Or anywhere really.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proceeds to put out own eyes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It worked for Oedipus.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

We're a few years into the 6th mass extinction event in this planets multi-billion year history.

I'm surprised the roads are still drivable and I still have to work lol. Waiting for the big Cracks to show.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It feels more like Idiocracy is the new reality, more than it feels like the end of the world. Though I suppose the end of the world would be pretty nigh if everyone was a drooling idiot and still had access to nukes and was still polluting the planet. 🤔

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if everyone was a drooling idiot and still had access to nukes

Think about this:

Regarding the group of people having access to the buttons that start the nukes, I can't help the feeling that the percentage of idiots is much higher there than it is among average people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

end of the world

You need a different way of thinking.

You are leaning towards something like fatalism or cynicism, but these attitudes are never helpful (only for your feeling, if you like to feel superior even if you are not).

election frauds / riots / etc in the US, global warming / severe weather increasing, capitalism

Problems getting worse indicate that mankind is getting worse. Technology cannot fix it. Man needs to get fixed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

election frauds / riots / etc in the US, global warming / severe weather increasing,

Anyone who thinks those things are getting worse doesn't have a true grasp of history. I'm old, and I get amazed at how many young people tell me I'm wrong about what it was like when I was younger. I was there. I remember.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When is the last time there has been a political landscape like this in the US?

Climate change is clearly getting worse.

Just because you're old doesn't mean you're right about everything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Global warming was a big deal around 1915. Then there was a huge deal made of global cooling in the 1930s. Then the global warming issue came back up in the 1950s. Then "A New Iceage" was all the rage in the 70s. The roaring 80s brought us global warming again. This has been going on a long time. Just because you are easily swayed by propaganda doesn't make you right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

You mean the guy who almost crashed into my car because he wouldn't yield the priority yesterday on my way to work?

Nah, he's just an asshole

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it has anything to do with the end of the world.

(This is going to sound bad. Worse than i really mean it to) I think it comes from society's increasingly inability to enforce social etequite. Faux pas are not "punished" resulting worse faux pas.

The tricky part is where do we draw the line and who defines it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nah, there is no lack of punishment anywhere

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People act up because today we are now a secular society and because toxic individualism and moral relativism are at an all time high. It has become taboo to call people out for their bullshit. It has become taboo to hold your neighbor to a moral standard. It’s as if the Assassin’s Creed (nothing is true, everything is permitted) became law and that IS NOT a good thing