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[–] [email protected] 255 points 2 weeks ago

"Effectively kill piracy" - Sure guys, this time it'll work.

[–] [email protected] 209 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

It is impossible to ban piracy. The whole concept is that it's not legal to begin with.

I bet Lars Ulrich is so proud that he killed music piracy back when he killed napster.

Except wait.....no he didn't he killed A service. Meaning singular. The concept of piracy moved on. We got limewire and torrents.

The ONLY thing that has slowed (if not stopped) music piracy is making the content readily and easily available in a convienent consumption method at a reasonable price.

Shocking, I know.

The invention of iTunes CHARGING money for music in a (at the time) new more convienent method of music consumption at a reasonable price did leaps and bounds more to destroy piracy than Napsters downfall ever could.

Now if only video services would learn this lession. Because it's the same lession. I don't know how they missed the memo on this.

Put your video in one centralized place. Make it hassle free to watch. Charge a reasonable price. Piracy dies overnight.

And just to prove it, show of hands. Who here would go through the effort and risk of pirating, if Netflix had everything you wanted to watch, for $5 a month? Who here would say no, and still pirate? Reply below and tell me if you would still pirate with those conditions?

But instead, netflix is pushing $20 a month, and the video hosting is fractured among multiple hosts, all of which overcharge, AND want to serve ads.

Oh hey, right on cue. It's a skull and bones flag approaching.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I would still pirate. I like to have the files instead of proprietary apps

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

About 10 years ago, I signed up for a seedbox for torrenting purposes. USD 15/month, which was roughly the same as Netflix at the time. Since then, Netflix has repeatedly raised prices, dropped content, and added ads. On the other hand, I'm still paying $15/month for that seedbox, and they've upgraded my storage capacity and bandwidth allotment multiple times.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Yep exactly.

They've pushed 6+ services now so it cost that cable used to so people are unsubbing and "cutting the cord" again

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

We only pirate TV because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again...

I used to be perfectly happy with Netflix and Google music + YouTube Red, but corporations were too greedy

I now use a mix of free Kodi TV, patched YouTube apps, rip music off tidal, and self host media on a lifetime premium Plex server.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As has often been reiterated: piracy is a service problem. If what you get by paying more is an inferior service, then people don’t want to pay for that service.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

100% true, haven't pirated a single game since I started using Steam and actually having a paycheck since about 10 years ago

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They don’t care. They don’t want to innovate, they want to force you to pay them for nothing in return.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah because pirates are notorious for giving up immediately when you make their jobs a little harder.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh. Making something illegal illegal again? That’ll be effective.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If you read the bill, heavily sponsored by the MPA, part of it is about forcing ISPs (and presumably US based VPNs) to block the DNS/URLs of "foreign criminal" sites.

It's laying the groundwork for a Great American Firewall.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

If you use a US-based VPN, you fucked up yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's a slippery slope. Soon they will make doing illegal things a crime.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Make something people want to buy. That will help more.

EDIT On the anime and manga. Quite a few Japanese companies don't or refuse to officially release stuff in the west. Most of the ones who do, get fucked with by bad localizers.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's crazy that Netflix originally knew this back in the 2010s. Somehow, over the years, they managed to forget this little nugget of wisdom.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

They didn't forget, they simply became big enough they can act like every other corporation.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The people who create these services will always be more clever and quick to implement workarounds than politicians. It's a futile battle.

Want to avoid piracy? Make getting things easier and more convenient.

Back when Netflix was £5-10 depending on tier, had a load of content, and an account could be shared between a few trusted people, I practically gave up pirating. Now it's £18 per month for 4K (and due to rise), and doesn't have those other positives going for it, I've abandoned it in favour of Radarr+Sonarr+Plex, and am having a better experience.

For video games, I predominantly buy from Steam, because it's a good service, and so far I have not seen any evidence that Valve are going to fuck me over. They've made gaming and all the things ancillary to it a lot more convenient. So I happily pay. If they embrace enshittification, guess what I'll do?

The only games I do pirate are Nintendo/Sega games that haven't been sold in decades. Why? Because there's no feasible other way to buy them and keep them!

I don't pirate music because Spotify. For all the issues I have with it (and boy do I have a few), it still has almost every song I search for, is fairly priced, and hasn't clamped down on account sharing in the same way Netflix/Disney/etc have. I'm part of a family where we split the cost. All the music I could possibly want for £2.20 per month? Fine by me! If that goes away, I go away, yarr harr.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not to mention Valve spearheaded major development for making Linux gaming like 200% better than it used to be, with development of Proton and everything, and giving all those work back to the entire gaming community as open source products entirely for free, bring in momentum for an entire industry.

That's a company you support.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

I'm so fucking glad Valve isn't beholden to shareholders.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't legislate piracy away...

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But they can make up excuses for their arsenal for whenever they want to ban a site they don't like from common eyes.

"It was banned because it was pornography"

"It was banned because it was displaying pirated content"

"It was banned because it harmed the public good"

They want control over what the common people can see, hear, say, and think.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Sounds like their strategy is to force US companies to block access to piracy sites.

I already run my torrent client through a non-US VPN so this can literally be bypassed by adding this to my prowlarr docker compose:

network_mode: service:gluetun

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

What VPN do you recommend?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

gluetun works with any openvpn provider. i prefer proton as ive already got a ton of mail services through them.. the vpn is basically a freebie.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Do they not know the concept of piracy? That's like Walmart and Target backing a new bill to stop shoplifting.

They could just make a better service. Between the password sharing, and everything being scattered everywhere, what did they expect? I'm going to pay for half a dozen services and still not get to watch what I want? Or I may be able to watch it and pay for the privilege to see ubskippable ads? You can only beat us with so many sticks before we stop feeling it. Come back with a carrot.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

It's much harder when all your ISPs and the world's largest DNS resolvers block the IPs or resolving the DNS, which is what this dystopian bill proposes. Make no mistake, this is Orwellian censorship masquerading as piracy protection.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We have literal Nazis stealing all our private information right this second…but THIS is the bill that gets to the floor?

Fiddling while Rome burns.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think you understand. Rome burning is the distraction. Shit like this is the real goal. The U.S. will be lucky if it hasn't collapsed to neo-feudalism in the next four years.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago

Been sailing the seas since 98. No intention of stopping. One thing I can promise is that you can't stop it.

Pirates always...uh...find a way.

In fact, when streaming services came out and were super affordable, it actually became a bit harder to find pirated movies/shows because people actually opted for the legal option. If the government wants to pull this garbage, it'll just bring many back into the fold and make it easier for me to sail the seas.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I started using pirated software in 1990, back when my first PC was gifted to me. All software I had was copied because I could not afford jack shit on my own. It is thanks to pirated (and open source) software that I have the career I have, and can afford to spend thousands of dollars on legitimate software, music, movies, books, etc.

Provide product people want and prices they can afford, and they'll buy them rather than pirate them. Don't persecute consumers of pirated products and most of them will eventually purchase legally.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's like Gabe said (paraphrased): "Piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem."

Make it easy to buy stuff and people will. But the more barriers you put up, the more people will pirate. Granted, there are persons like you (and I counted among those at one point) who cannot afford things from time-to-time, but we're a minority. Every game I've ever pirated from those days I have made sure to purchase once I was able to.

Make it available for easy purchase and people will buy it.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

But wouldn't that go against freedom of expression and the internet?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

It might. If it causes undue burden on ISPs or services like Cloudflare, for example, the law will probably be scrapped by some part of Congress or a judge.

And even if it somehow survives all of that, a VPN with a server in another country will make this bill pointless.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

is anime a form of Piracy?! One Piece I guess?!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

They already banned pornhub and pornographers. Fascists are going to fash.

MPA logo corrected

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Corporate legislation, making America Great as always.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why you run servers outside of five eye countries

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is dumb considering that these types of streaming sites are how I actually discover anime and become a fan enough that i want to purchase merch. I pay for Crunchy Roll, but sometimes I want to check out stuff from other services. If I had to rely sheerly on legal services I wouldn't watch or discover half of what I did.

Legal services are also pretty inferior. I wanted to watch A certain Scientific Railgun.. Season 1 was dubbed, but season 2 on the service wasn't... I literally had to track it down on some streaming site to get access to what I'm paying for.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I checked it again and its STILL at 0 Cosponsors and sitting in the committees inbox if it wasn't already rejected.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/791

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

How long until cloudflare gets blocked

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

I don't currently sail the high seas, but clamping down on access and making it harder to enjoy content, increasing prices, blocking account sharing, and adding unskippable ads and promos make me want to pirate, just out of spite!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

This is a huge deal.

More people should be fighting this.

Giving this much power to corporations isn't right.

If all else, copyright owners of any media should have the same power so they can effective end AI from stealing their content.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stop hiking prices on streaming services and making them awful to use while ending sales of physical media and I won't pirate content.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no!

Anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

why they gotta make the headline almost sound like they gon' ban anime, don't do us dirty man

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