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[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can look into Cloudflare's CSAM setting, but I'm not exactly sure what it does.

I don't understand how a web host is legally responsible for what their users post as long as there's active moderation removing it in a timely manner.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are correct, there is safe harbor provisions on the matter. There is a legal responsibility to report and store the content securely when it is reported as an admin.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It’s like it’s not enough that you deal with all the technical shit, updating to new versions, checking shit out from GitHub, running builds, paying for the goddamn thing, then you are also responsible for babysitting content? Fuck that. Unless you have a good group of mods/admins it is really difficult to do.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

keep in mind that this does not apply to every country in the world.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would love to have the EFF chime in, but there are some protections for you as a host under the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act (OCILLA) - or safe harbor provision in the USA.

As to how that has been tested legally on federated content, I don't know. Perhaps another elder of the internet can tell me how Usenet servers handle it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are right, there is safe harbor protections here. It's a legal mess that must be navigated carefully. We will see how things progress.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

While correct, you still may end up having to deal with the law about it. The whole "you can't beat the ride" thing. Could be a ton of hassle and legal fees.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

This is the reason that vlemmy.net shutdown.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Here I thought I could create a server and then use that as a instance only to hold my profile where I could then use that to interact across the fediverse

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can absolutely do that, just make the profile registration private

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

But the federation issue with CSAM... I don't want those issues.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what's going on and I'm afraid of clicking the link...

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's an admin post talking about why some images are broken

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I ask what the acronym means?

I'm too paranoid to do an internet search to figure it out, but I have a hunch.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I didn't know either but I took one for the team, regrettably. Child Sexual Abuse Material.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

pics-3774560_1

Damn. I guessed it was something like that.

That's so disgusting, some fuckers are sick.

Thanks for replying!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This kind of issue is why pawb.social is not open registration. These low effort trolls cause a lot of problems, and i don’t want my server to be responsible for this crap.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

I thought it says/should say SCAM. Boy was I wrong...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Maybe Mozilla could help. I know they're trying to help make the net less of s toxic place and this is some serious thing.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait are images federated too? Can't u disable it?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think only links to the images are federated.

EDIT: I am from the programming.dev instance, and this post links to https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/22411ac1-3f76-4904-9f0e-8522311c4ee1.jpeg which seems to come from lemmy.ca and not lemmy.ml where this community is originally from.

Maybe it was cross posted? Not sure.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The thumbnails are hosted on your home instance.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Don't have open signups

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bruh I saw that shit. It was fucked up

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please clear your browser cache and take care of yourself in whatever you need to. I am so sorry you had to see it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. Can’t unsee it. It was in my app (Memmy), but I should probably clear that cache.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

My guess is that someone noticed that Lemmy doesn't yet have as robust moderation tools as Mastodon and decided they'd federate "NoNoNo"^1^ images all over the place just to be a troll

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spoiler CSAM

CPVery illegal and naughty images of kids

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I thought about hosting my own instance, but now I'm definitely not......

I thought the worst that could happen was being ignored.... apparently not.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What does CSAM exactly mean? (I understand the point of the meme completely just never heard of such abbreviation.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It's child porn, and as horrifying as you've been told it is. Some scumbag trolls were posting it on lemmy.world's memes sub and so .world finally decided to close open signups.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When did we switch to that instead of CP?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

a) "CP" is a very online phrase that I imagine hasn't permeated popular culture for good reason

b) calling it "pornography" is tacitly implying it is arousing and/or serves a purpose, by calling it "abuse material" you remove any positive connotations

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think being more specific is also a good thing. Two letter acronyms are too broad. As CSAM, it's unambiguous what it refers to. But CP means many things. Eg, in software dev, it's often used for "control plane". Some video games (eg, Pokemon Go) use it for "combat power". I think ESO used it as "champion points" (though might have been a different MMO).

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Porn is a legal thing that normal people enjoy. The term CSAM takes a stance that it is always abuse. I think they are basically interchangeable but CSAM is the currently preferred term.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

And fuck all of the lemmy users who demand that instance owners take on the risk that the users demand.

No, unpaid volunteers do not want jailtime for the child porn you wish to post.

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