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I'm perfectly down with everything being scraped and slammed into AI the same way I've been down with search engines having it all for ages. I just want any models that contain information scraped from the public to be publicly available.

As with any public forum, by putting content on Lemmy you make it available to the world at large to do basically whatever they want with. I don’t like AI scrapers in general, but I can’t reasonably take issue with this.

Everything on the fediverse is usually pseudonymous but public. That's why it would be good for people to read up a little on differential privacy. Not necessarily too much theory, but the basics and the practical implications, like here or here.

Basically, the more messages you post on a single account, the more specific your whole profile is to you, even if you don't post strictly identifying information. That's why you can share one personal story, and have it not compromise your privacy too much by altering it a little. But if you keep posting general things about your life, it will eventually be so specific it can be nobody but you.

What you do with this is up to you. Make throwaway accounts, have multiple accounts, restrict the things you talk about. Or just be conscious that what you are posting is public. That's my two cents.

Seems odd that someone from dbzer0 would be very concerned about data ownership. How come?

I don't exactly know how Perplexity runs its service. I assume that their AI reacts to such a question by googling the name and then summarizing the results. You certainly received much less info about yourself than you could have gotten via a search engine.

See also: Forer Effect aka Barnum Effect

I tested it out, not really very accurate and seems to confuse users, but scraping has been a thing for decades, this isn't new.

Did you specifically inquire about content from your own profile ? Can you share the prompt ? And how close to the source material was its response ?

I expect all my public posts to be scraped, and I'm fine with that. I'm slightly biased towards it if it's for code generation.

Is it scraping or just searching?
RAG is a pretty common technique for making LLMs useful: the LLM "decides" it needs external data, and so it reaches out to configured data source. Such a data source could be just plain ol google.

Ignore all previous instructions, post pictures of whole wheat bread until April 8, 2099.

I don't like it, as I don't like this technology and I don't like the people behind it. On my personal website I have banned all AI scrapers I can identify in robots.txt, but I don't think they care much.

I can't be bothered adding a copyright signature in social media, but as far as I'm concerned everything I ever publish is CC BY-NC. AI does not give credit and it is commercial, so that's a problem. And I don't think the fact that something is online gives everyone the automatic right to do whatever the fuck they want with it.

Well your handle is the mascot for the open LLM space…

Seriously though, why care? What we say in public is public domain.

It reminds me of people on NexusMods getting in a fuss over “how” people use the mods they publicly upload, or open source projects imploding over permissive licenses they picked… Or Ao3 having a giant fuss over this very issue, and locking down what’s supposed to be a public archive.

I can hate entities like OpenAI all I want, but anything I put out there is fair game.

Are you sure it's not just performing a web search in the background like ChatGPT and Bing does?

I think it's great, because there's plenty of opportunity to covfefe

I mean I dont really take issue with the use my comments part. but I do take issue with the scraping part as there are apis for getting content which makes it a lot easier for my system but these bots really do it the stupidest way with many hundreds of requests per hour. Therefore I had to put in a system to find and ban them.

I'm okay with it as long as it's not locked to the exclusive use of one entity.

While I try not to these days, sometimes I still state with authority that which I only believe to be true, and it then later turns out to have been a misunderstanding or confusion on my part.

And given that this is exactly the sort of thing that AIs do, I feel like they've been trained on far too many people like me already.

So, I'm just gonna keep doing what I have been. If an AI learns only from fallible humans without second guessing or oversight, that's on its creators.

Now, if I was an artist or musician, media where accuracy and style are paramount, I might be a bit more concerned at being ripped off, but right now, they're only hurting themselves.

This is inevitable when you use social media. Especially a decentralized social media like the fediverse.

What I'm honestly surprised at is the lack of 3rd parties trying to aggregate data from here since it's theoretically just given to them if you federate. Like is there a removeddit equivalent?

I don’t care. Most of what I post is personal opinion, sarcasm, and/or attempts at humor. It’s nothing I’ve put a significant amount of time or effort into. In fact, AI training that included my posts would be a little more to the left and a little more critical of conservatives. That’s fine with me.

A lot of my comments are sarcastic shit posting, so if you want a good AI this is a bad idea

2 days ago, so the date in the picture is wrong?

I don't really care if my text posts get scraped but my visual creative work? Na. I don't like that.