All of my favorite browsers are forks of Firefox. Lately it's been Zen browser. Watching Firefox smoulder and collapse over the years has been truly painful and makes me fear a chromium future in hell.
this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2024
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Same. In the late 2000s or so my father knew ot so much about computers so some family friend set it up and he installed Firefox. I ve been using Firefox my whole life since. I tried switching to ungoogled chromeium, Brave and cromite on mobile but just can't. Like Firefox and its forks are in my muscle memory. It's over. I won't be able to use the internet anymore. Bye guys 👋
We are truly living in dark times.
I really wish Mozilla the best but if it were to fail I sure hope Ladybird will be stable by then.
Mozilla keeps digging Firefox's grave, and seeing how other opensource projects like Gimp struggle to even keep up with their own release schedule and very slow development rate. I fear we will be left with only chrome to use.
I fear we will be left with only chrome to use.
Will, ungoogled-chromium (Windows version) is an thing. So we got that.
"Give that CEO a raise!"
Another Mozilla
Did the CEO take a pay cut?
does a bear shit in your mouth?
Depends... will it generate shareholder value?
Okay I'll learn how to make better coffee
Damn bro, you didn't have to roast yourself that hard
Come on over, I'll put on a pot of ~~bear shit~~ coffee and see if you disagree
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God bean counters ruin everything good related to tech
wouldn't it be nice if the profit motive wasn't the only driving force of the economy?
Regardless, don’t use chrome.
I've moved to Vivaldi recently and it's been refreshingly not-suck.
That’s good. Are you happy with the built-in privacy, or do you find extensions are needed?
I’d still argue it’s chromium.
If this Firefox trend continues, then we won't really have a choice in the matter anymore.
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If Mozilla does become defunct, it does raise the question of whether Chrome would be considered a Google monopoly, and therefore subject to antitrust legislation.
I can't imagine any governments would look kindly upon internet access being guarded behind a single company's product.
Google should be subject to antitrust legislation regardless.
Their position as a monopoly is what enables this.
The firefox browser could exist without quite a lot Mozilla does. A large chunk of its cash isn’t spent on the browser.
I can’t imagine any governments would look kindly upon internet access being guarded behind a single company’s product.
laughs in 2001
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Gee, I can't imagine why they chose to drop this bomb today.
It's like they wanted it to be drowned in other news.
It's Mozilla. No one is going to see this anyway.
I'm seeing it
Why, what else happened today?
Tap for spoiler
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Wait they still had employees?
GODDAMMIT MOZILLA. YOU ARE MAKING ADVOCATING FOR BETTER INTERNET HARD
Unfortunately I don't think there's much Mozilla can do other than cut costs with it seeming like the Google funding will be getting severely hampered.
They can't get money from thin air.
This is more of a symptom the cause is the monopolization of the internet largely by Google
On mobile, search Google for "election" and then try to zoom in on any state.
I suspect their financial position has changed. Perhaps Google's being found as a monopoly has made them decide not to help fund Mozilla's efforts as substantially.
Ashley Boyd lead the advocacy team, here's the kind of stuff they were doing:
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-welcomes-ashley-boyd-vp-of-advocacy/
In fall of 2016, Mozilla fought for common-sense copyright reform in the EU, creating public education media that engaged over one million citizens and sending hundreds of rebellious selfies to EU Parliament. Earlier in 2016, Mozilla launched a public education campaign around encryption and emerged as a staunch ally of Apple in the company’s clash with the FBI. Mozilla has also fought for mass surveillance reform, net neutrality and data retention reform.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/11/05/mozilla-foundation-lays-off-30-staff-drops-advocacy-division/
“The Mozilla Foundation is reorganizing teams to increase agility and impact as we accelerate our work to ensure a more open and equitable technical future for us all. That unfortunately means ending some of the work we have historically pursued and eliminating associated roles to bring more focus going forward,” read the statement shared with TechCrunch.
Reading between the lines, I'd keep an eye on them collecting your data and consider one of the privacy-focused forks.
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Everytime I see comments regarding Mozilla''s financials,I have the same effing question: How does a company like brave or opera maintain their browser ?? AFAIK both don't have the level of community backing that Mozilla does nor do they have any (again AFAIK) agreement with a company like google for default search engine placement
They use chromium.
Firefox does not.
The grand majority of software engineering effort goes into the browser development that they never have to work on for the most part.
those are just rebranded chrome(ium). all browsers except firefox and safari are rebranded chromium or firefox. edit: there are some other projects but none are mature.
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Brave and Opera are both forks of Chromium that incorporate upstream changes. Firefox is an entire browser.
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Brave just tries to scam their users for money.
Like when they added "donate to the content creator" links on YouTube and such, then didn't actually give the money to the content creators.
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CEO first please. He's not worth it
That'll certainly make it easier to pay the CEO.
Getting rid of the advocacy part. That's...not good.
So what does that mean in layman's terms? They're not going to have as much of a voice to sway heads about things like open internet, the flaws of copyright, the problems with privacy and surveillance.
It’s looking increasingly likely that the US Department of Justice is going to succeed in their antitrust efforts against Google. Currently, Mozilla gets something like 85% of their funding from Google for being the default search engine in Firefox. That may be deemed anticompetitive behavior by a judge, at which point Mozilla will be left with very little funding compared to their current situation.
I’d bet these actions are in anticipation of that happening.
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