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As read from my Mozilla Firefox....

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[–] [email protected] 217 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

headlines have focused on the detrimental effect this will have on ad blockers, which will need to adopt a complex workaround to work as now. There is a risk that users reading those headlines might seek to delay updating their browser, to prevent any ad blocker issues; you really shouldn’t go down this road—the security update is critical.

It's almost like tying together feature updates with security updates was a deliberate choice by tech companies so that they could tell users shit exactly like this.

How can there be any real market choices when software literally tells users "for your own safety, you must abandon the things you want, and take the things we give you". How can consumers influence the direction of the product if they never have the option to decline that direction?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We're all trying to figure out where these headlines came from. The stable channel with all the fixes does not (at this time) bundle the warning. How is that users have become confused and believe the dev channel is the only way to get security fixes?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

The headline is supposedly CISA urging users to either update or delete Chrome — it's not Chrome/Google itself. However, I'm having trouble finding the actual CISA alert. It's not linked in the article as far as I can tell.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

When it comes to open source software, market choices aren't nearly as necessary because new ones can be created at will and very low cost by forking. But in the abstract thech companies are definitely not interested in choices. Choices don't maximize profits.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maintaining a fork of Chromium would cost millions to do it responsibly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

It depends on how fat the fork is. While I haven't worked on Blink, as a developer who works on other people's very large codebases, including one from Google, I disagree. There are free tools for build automation. That'll take care of being up-to-date with upstream in terms of security. Patching things can be done using conflict-minimizing strategies. I used to work at an Android OEM and I've seen it done with great success. Thinking of Blink specifically, there have been lots of forks during its WebKit days. If I remember correctly there are also thin forks of Firefox maintained by some open source developers. This is all to support thay I don't think it's that big of a deal. Especially if most of it is rebranding and restoring some deprecated or deleted functionality. Could be wrong. I think we'll see, because I have a feeling the cost of maintaining a Chromium fork could be cheaper than patching apps to work well on Firefox. Some corpos might even pitch in. Not to mention that it isn't at all obvious for how long Firefox will be developed by Mozilla. If they drop the ball at some point we'll be faced with implementing new features in Firefox vs patching features of Chromium. ⚖️

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess nothing will happen if I do neither.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The article says that’s what the government is telling employees since there were several critical vulnerabilities found in chrome. It is very convenient that these vulnerabilities were patched in the same update that manifest v2 is removed though

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (9 children)

CVEs are constantly found in complex software, that's why security updates are important. If not these, it'd have been other ones a couple of weeks or months later. And government users can't exactly opt out of security updates, even if they come with feature regressions.

You also shouldn't keep using software with known vulnerabilities. You can find a maintained fork of Chromium with continued Manifest V2 support or choose another browser like Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

You also shouldn't keep using software with known vulnerabilities. You can find a maintained fork of Chromium with continued Manifest V2 support or choose another browser like Firefox.

It's disgusting how this exact idea is used to push users away from things they want, and no matter what they claim, you can't convince me this isn't part of how they design certain updates. When the customer has no choice but to update, the company has no reason to make the update appealing. They can actively make it all worse and worse and worse, while continuing to scare users into accepting it.

I'm tired of companies hiding behind "security" to mask anti-consumer shit, and I'm tired of the security community helping them shovel that shit while acting like the consumer is a fool for not wanting to eat it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Maybe that software doesn’t need to be so fucking “complex”. It’s a web browser. Stop cramming everything but the kitchen sink into it. Half of the crap in web browsers like WebGL and WASM should be plugins anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You can find a maintained fork of Chromium with continued Manifest V2 support or choose another browser like Firefox

You can find them, but you're not getting them installed on your government issued work computer.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

That's what I was thinking. It's mighty convenient...

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So google manufactured a (possibly false) security risk to force users into updating to manifest v3 software?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

its not a false security risk, it really is unsecure to withhold updates.

the bullshit comes from what they are doing.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I always use Mozilla Firefox

sips hot chocolate

So that isn't my concern.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What a pos company

I really need to start to de-google my life

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Check out https://www.privacyguides.org, they have a bunch of useful info and recommendations.

Remember, it's not an all-or-nothing situation, every step you take away from google helps. And you can always reevaluate later, and take time to figure out what works best for you.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Do it!

I'm still working on it, but I've cut out quite a bit. Start with Chrome, and work your way down.

When you get to email, Gmail has a very convenient forwarding feature so you can forward all email to the new one while you change accounts and whatnot. I made a new account elsewhere, and I have a separate folder for email from my old Gmail and my new email. Every so often I'll go fix an account or two, so I'm making steady progress.

For me, docs/drive is the hardest, so I'm doing it last. I'm playing with self-hosted options, and am still in an adjustment period.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Getting away from Google Maps has been a tough one. There aren't many options there, it's either Google, Apple, Microsoft, or OpenStreetMap.

I've been contributing to OSM for my local area as much as possible to update businesses and their opening hours, website, etc., but it's not a small task.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've been getting around quite well on OrganicMaps, but it does lack live traffic information

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Great reference. Also, you can do gifs in Lemmy. Not sure if everyone knows that or not.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago

Ok I'll delete it. Thanks Google.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Which of you fools still use Google products?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes we have to for work. That or Edge :(

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your IT department should be very concerned

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The IT department are the morons enforcing that shit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have to use for work, because all our customer only uses chrome or chrome-based browser :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Show them the way!!! … to Firefox.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I choose to just continue not having it in the first place. I uninstalled it from my work PC a year ago and never put it on either personal install. Definitely haven’t missed it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But you're missing out on all those privacy violations, and spying!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Yeah, no one's thinking of the exhibitionists! For shame!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago

So . . . exactly what stealth crap is hidden in the Chrome "update?"

" . . . but it’s also the day Google started to pull the plug on many Manifest V2 extensions as its rollout of Manifest V3 takes shape."

Ahhhh, there we go. Manifest 3 will break almost all Chrome adblockers.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile my school still uses Chrome v109 since that was the last version that supported Windows 8

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

We still use it in biology ,but not in IT we have windows 10 or 11 on them I always install Firefox on them if it isn't already there one time some Ukrainian kid set the language .

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

chrome, hahaha

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

I already did 5 years ago

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Awfully convenient for this to come along to coincide with.chrome new manifest change

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

HOW CAN I DELETE SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE!!!!

Screams in existential crisis

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why foes government allow spyware on its own hardware?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Amazing how these big corps hate freedom.

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