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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/16660104

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm assuming 1172 is a count of donations to official mainstream servers. I have definitely contributed to my local server.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think it's only donations to the development team. Summing up the donors across Liberapay, Open Collective and Patreon gives close to the number in the title.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I am a Patreon supporter of the developers. It's that the best way to support the project?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The Lemmy project - yes. You want to check if your home instance is sustainably funded too. I think lemmy.world for example is well funded. So is lemmy.ca - my home instance.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ugh! Can’t they just monetize the sale of our personal data and push nauseating ads every other post… like any other respectable post aggregation platform?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Ads they won't (At least I believe so.) But I won't be surprised that some data harvesting companies have servers set up to collect all the data, aggregate, and sell it. Lemmy is an openly federated platform after all.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think it's a symptom of Lemmy's core premise - where do I direct funds as the "common" user (read as less technically sophisticated)? To access and engage with Lemmy I...

  1. use an app...
  2. that channels a specific server....
  3. contained within are individual mods that maintain communities and curate content...
  4. and all of that lives within the larger "world" of Lemmy as an idea

There are many hands in that chain. Your dedicated users can handle negotiating that decision maybe, but the "common" user cannot - and this post is trying to discuss Lemmy at scale, so you're talking about that "common" user.

Again, it's counter to the founding spirit of Lemmy, but we're missing a centralized path to supporting all of the distributed hands doing work on this idea. Not an easy problem to solve, but one that should be acknowledged.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (11 children)

The Lemmy devs are a bunch of tankie weirdos, so I'm definitely not going to give money to them.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago

Yeah they have made it clear they don't want me around, on top of that. Donate to instances, not the devs.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Thanks. I was about to post that I haven’t yet decided whether to donate to my instance or the developers. I might just go with your opinion

Edit: although after reading, I’m not entirely sure. Part of supporting freedom to discuss is also supporting freedom to discuss things you disagree with or even things that are genuinely hateful. I do tend to end up more on the free speech side than the cancel side. The posted thread from archive at least the complainant moved on: we need to be able to vote with our feet like that

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Lemmy.ml is the devs instance, and they have a habit of banning anyone who even slightly differs from their opinions. Basically, if you're not a tankie like them, they will likely ban you.

They're not interested in free discussions.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

But they just personally don't want that on their instance while they create the lemmy software that allows for everyone to speak their opinions.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Trust me, the Lemmy devs do not support freedom of discussion.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've subscribed to patreon in the beginning, and one of the perks was supposedly access to a private group with the devs on discord or matrix, forgot which one. After 3 months and a few questions on how and where to gain access that went completely ignored, I stopped. Not because of the money; but because empty promises don't sit well with me.

Edit: They still list "access to the development chatroom" as a perk, now even in the $1 tier. Used to be only from $5.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Seeing your comment I was like, oh I know this guy. And then I remembered you are the one building the lemmy frontend I use. Thank you :)

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I had no idea it accepted donations, if not for this post I would have no idea where to do it. And still not sure how it works and where the money is for exactly. Is it like sponsoring servers for 1 particular instance?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The links in this post are for funding the two developers who work full time on Lemmy, the software.

The instances are sponsored separately via their own contribution links. E.g. look at the sidebar on lemmy.world and you're probably gonna find them.

For the system to work we need to fund both the software development and the instances. Currently the software development funding is further behind as it still doesn't cover two modest salaries. On the other hand I think lemmy.world is sustainably funded. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago

I'm poor af alright?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (3 children)

53k monthly active users is way less than I expected. But makes sense with how slow things are here.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Using this as my opportunity to brag that I have been a donor since the Reddit exodus! Hopefully I am donating to the right place:

https://liberapay.com/dessalines

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

The official Liberapay link now points to https://liberapay.com/Lemmy/.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I know people like to shit on the Reddit gold concept. But I still think it makes sense and is one of the least obtrusive ways to raise funds sustainably.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I give $1 a month on patreon, hopefully that's enough cause I'm broke AF.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

If you're broke, don't give. I think there's enough of us who can afford a few bucks a month and we should get more people to do it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's a dollar more per month than most of us, including myself, will ever give.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (7 children)

i was once told to hotlink images from other hosters.. as opposed to uploading to lemmy. (to save on resources!)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

We like free stuff?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

poor losers like us are the ones likely to spend our time in places like this.

and poor losers like us dont have the money to donate.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I would bet that at least 90% of Lemmy could afford a recurring donation of $1 to $3 per month. If 90% of 50,000 users donated $1 per month, they could bring in $45,000 per year. Currently, the 1172 donators are donating even more than that, which pays for 1 full time developer. If we picked up the slack, they could afford two, effectively doubling the dedicated work output.

It’s that simple. Either we band together and keep this system afloat, or we give our data to corporations so they can sell it and pay the bills that way. There isn’t really a third option.

Edit: I can’t believe this has been up this long and nobody has corrected my awful math. It isn’t $45,000 per year, it’s 45,000 users donating a combined total of $540,000 per year. Basically, 90% of us donating $1 per month could take this rocket ship straight to the moon.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I did try donating for Lemmy through Liberapay using the link in this post but canceled the process when I saw that the money recipient was “peertube.social”, which I don’t use. I’d feel better donating if the money went to Lemmy and not Peertube.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

I would donate if I wasn't so broke =)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Word. The large instances are well funded at the moment. I think the funding is lacking on the developer side. Subscribe if you can. I have. :)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

I need my union contract before I can afford donating 😭

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