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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think it's pretty easy to find support for gun control.

Or "oppose the second amendment", as you propagandistically say, because you dont have facts on your side.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Isn't that a national poll, as opposed to a poll of Maine residents? I'm talking specifically about Maine, not about the USA as a whole.

Or “oppose the second amendment”, as you propagandistically say, because you dont have facts on your side.

Generally people who quibble about the term "well-regulated militia" do specifically oppose the second amendment. But the constitution of Maine doesn't have that ambiguity:

Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I might be wrong, but isn't everything on there already a requirement? I think the mental health check is the only thing that isn't (unless you consider losing your right to own a gun after being involuntarily committed for any reason to be a mental health check). The problem is that even our existing gun control laws aren't being properly enforced (otherwise that wouldn't be part of the poll). I think there needs to be more gun control. I'm just not sure that more gun control is going to work because the government won't enforce what's already there.

I personally think a licensing system similar to what we have for cars would help a lot. Want a double-barrel shotgun? The current system would probably work for that. Want an AR-15? You need the enthusiast license which involves a week or two of training, a basic mental health evaluation, and a gun safe (not a flimsy lockbox) to store it in. Want a .50 cal, belt-fed browning machine gun? You gotta get the super ultra deluxe license that requires a year of training and mental health checks, background checks complete with colonoscopies from the FBI and ATF, and you still need a gun safe to store it in. Finally, if your gun is used in a crime then you're considered to be an accomplice. Your only defense is if you can prove it was properly stored and you reported it as stolen within a reasonable amount of time.

Edit: I got it guys, I'm wrong about existing gun control. I'm leaving the post up because there may be others who are also confused about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not quite, most states don't have a waiting period either because they haven't been shown to be effective at curbing crime. In fact avg "time to crime" of a gun is 11yrs according to the ATF, 11yr is quite the waiting period.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Damn, that's a hell of a waiting period.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You're not wrong those are all required by law except the mental health checks, but even then you are prohibited if you've had an involuntary stay in a mental institution.

But those people aren't interested in facts, only biased groupthink just look at how they show their thoughts with their downvotes because they have nothing intelligent to say.