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This has been a doozy of a year. And it's the best year so far blah blah. So how are you all coping? Does it hit anyone else like a bolt of lightning that probably I - we - won't die of old age?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yes. I am friends with ecological scientists, biologists, soil scientists, ornithologists, and other various environmental researchers. The rest of my natural life would be ~40-50 years. We probably have 10-20 at most. Remember, the heating is exponential and delayed, and we've also exceeded several other planetary boundaries. Our governments are decades too late. We are literally already in the middle of an extinction event.

Even if everyone TODAY stopped burning all fossil fuels, we'd still have to sequester millions of tons of carbon in 10-20 years with no infrastructure for it. To do this will release more greenhouse gases. Amd we still have to address the 9 other planetary boundaries we've crossed including ocean acidification, soil destruction, and pollution.

The absolute best shot we have is to deflect a percentage of the sun's rays from ever reaching earth with some kind of space blanket or shield. Likely we will just inject sulfur into the atmosphere with unknown consequences.

That you don't realize how bad it is, is the sadder thing. We have seriously failed in educating people about science. Chemical reactions need specific energy requirements to work, which means specific temperatures. It's a big deal to our very cells themselves that the planet is getting hotter. And again, that is only 1 planetary boundary and we have crossed others.

You can literally see footage online of people's housing falling into the ocean, and their property wasn't oceanfront when they bought it. You can look u0 articles about billions of sea life boiling alive off the oregon coast and baby eagles flinging themselves from their nests to die due to heat. You can see the recent article about Dubai being beyond the wet bulb temp for humans to survive. That's not normal, ya'll. None of this is normal.

But whatever, it's too late. Enjoy your remaining years as much as you can, and don't forget you can always starve yourself to death for free if you don't have a bullet. Good luck everyone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is doommongering nonsense.

I'm no climate change denier at all, but the idea that the planet is basically going to be unliveable in 10-20 years is ludicrous.

Even the most pessimistic of scientists don't believe that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

AMOC collapse could happen as soon as 2025.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adk1189

Scientists have been forced to give "optimistic" findings relating to climate change for decades because we were told not to scaremonger. We were told no one would believe us. Well, no one believed us anyway (see: you) and now our conservative estimates are turning out to be wildly too conservative. It is exponentially getting worse and we didn't consider numerous cascading events like the methane bubbles in the arctic permafrost.

We are literally already in the middle of a sixth extinction event relating to passing 6-8 of 9-10 planetary boundaries. It's not doomerism, it's literally reality. Measurably and empirically happening.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wikipedias page on AMOC is much less pessimistic:

High-quality Earth system models indicate a collapse is unlikely and would only become probable if high levels of warming (≥4 °C (7.2 °F))[14] are sustained long after 2100.[18][19][20] Some paleoceanographic research seems to support this idea.[21][22] Some researchers fear the complex models are too stable[23] and that lower-complexity projections pointing to an earlier collapse are more accurate.[24][25] One of those projections suggests AMOC collapse could happen around 2057[26] but many scientists are skeptical of the projection.[27]

I would very much doubt an actual collapse happens anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That's wikipedia though, not a scientific article, and it acknowledges that many think it will happen sooner.

Here's an article from CNN that is hours old, based on a new study, which is confident AMOC collapse will happen by 2037-2050 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/02/climate/atlantic-circulation-collapse-timing

That's pretty soon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Likely we will just inject sulfur into the atmosphere with unknown consequences.

Kind of the only hope we have left at this point. One which I'm desperately holding onto.

Articles about insect populations being decimated by something like 70%... They are the ones most vulnerable to climate change, and they're all dying. How people can see that and not understand is mind boggling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The insect population part really is staggering, huh? I remember how disgusting my grandma's station wagon got in the 90s traveling. Now I pretty much never really "need" to clean my windows off from bug guts. Usually dust.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think we should put up a metal blanket in space. Tbh all the space junk and satellites are already doing that a little

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Very very little, the planet is kinda big

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What do you expect your manner of death will be in 10-20 years?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Hard to say. It could be from a power grid failure during a weather event. It could be from an earthquake (increased seismic activity due to climate change). It could be from a freak storm or mudslide. Could be from supply chain collapse and starvation. Could be from supply chain collapse/social collapse and lack of medical care. Could be bird flu or any number of novel diseases occurring due to climate change.

That's why i suggested a magic 8 ball ;)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

AMOC collapse could happen as soon as 2025 so my 20 years was extremely optimistic btw