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[–] [email protected] 134 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I want to know who hired that fucking CEO and put him up to purposefully tank Unity.

This can't be anything less than a blatant attempt to destroy a company so who would have a vested interest in destroying Unity? It can't just be for money.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sadly, there often comes a time when a critical mass of the business leaders decide "you know what, I want to cash out and no matter how disastrous this will be long term, I think short term this will milk some revenue out of some captive audience".

In the IT industry, that time is usually when Broadcom buys you.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

You've hurt me right in the vSphere.

What a lot of people at these companies don't understand is that other options existing means people will find a way to continue without you... The more that happens, the larger the community... the faster you fail.

When Broadcom announced buying VMWare, literally all the IT subreddits in unison looked for other alternatives. We're on Proxmox now, it's been a better product than VMWare in literally every way.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

It's also called the trust thermocline. Once a certain level of exploitation is reached, customers leaving suddenly goes very quickly and usually unrecoverable. The straw that breaks the camel's back.

Or in the case of unity, you smash the poor camel with a baseball bat and are very surprised it tries to bite you.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this is why we shouldn’t have monopolies. People shouldn’t be held hostage by one or two companies. When they go full stupid like Unity is, the customers grumble, shrug, and get to work with a different system.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or not just monopolies, but companies in general have a dictatorship authoritarian structure where the c-suite has all the decision making power and employees or customers can go fuck themselves. Corporations should be made for the people by the people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Aligning power over systems with stackholders impacted by those systems is usually good for avoiding hostile incentives which result in hurting people, yes. Plus to some it might axiomatically be morally good.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm forced to use VMware for cisco classes.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sounds a bit odd... What networking class requires VM platform usage?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I teach a class that needs a vm, I'm making damned sure everyone uses the same type.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The vm has "tools" preloaded and helps students experiment with configurations that don't end up causing the host computer to be badly configured. The host PCs are pretty restrictive and have no admin privileges. The VM is fully capable of being "free to mess with" in a sense. The idea behind it is to prevent unauthorized bad actions on the host pc. Creating a separation of students' abilities behind a vm. You can use your own PC, but that is cumbersome and unnecessary. The "forced to" is a bit loose, but it helps students start from a state where the teacher can help guide the students to what to do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember at the time that a presentation circulated on a previous Broadcom acquisition, as a preview of what was in store for vmware. I never saw analagous material for vmware exactly, and I can't remember what Broadcom acquisition it was.

Their analysis was that they predicted their changes would kill off any new business, and kill off 80% of the existing customer base. However, this was fine as the other 20% was so stuck that they could charge more than 5x to make up for it, and all without spending any money on R&D and reducing customer support load.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I know nothing of the numbers... This was my understanding of it as well. That they'd make probably just as much if not more money because of the captive groups.

However, while they might be captive now... Doesn't mean they'll be captive forever. VMWare is going to lose the entire market over this very rapidly, then the rest slowly after.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Indeed. However all the key people making this call will have made a few million off the husk on the way down, and will have moved on to drain the next company.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

In the software side of IT, this is usually when you start seeing layoffs and a mass replacement of talented developers with bottom-of-the-barrel offshore contractors. Beware the following fail cascade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Kicked me right in the Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's what everyone is saying but this policy will only cost them from lawsuits, so it can't just be about money.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will cost them in future earnings... Companies won't want to work on their platform if these policies are still in place... and many will never want to work with them again since they've shown their hand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is what makes me think there's something more to this.

I think rival companies might groom CEOs that get hired by their competitors but whom, secretly, are paid by the rivals to destroy the companies from within.

Perhaps I'm wrong but that's the only explanation I've been able to come up with that makes any sense to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The CEOs don't need to be paid by other companies. All a competing company needs to do, is to convince some company's board members to hire a CEO with a track record that they know will tank the company... maybe through indirect lobbying, maybe by hinting they want to hire them because it's "such a valuable CEO"... and bam!

CEO ruins company, then bails on a golden parachute, and you only had to spend whatever it took to mislead the competing board.

(I've seen it done to tiny companies with as few as 20 workers, it's surprisingly easy to convince a board to hire someone who will destroy everything)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the point to do this ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

To destroy the competition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does one insulate a company from corrupted CEOs?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically that's what a board of directors is for. They are the ones who can axe a CEO and hire another.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yet they're not capable of sussing out bad actors before hiring them, so how is a board a good system?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's good on paper, so long as a critical number of them aren't bad actors. You kinda got the same problem with US politics at the moment. It works until it doesn't, like everything else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It seems clearly nothing works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, plenty of business "geniuses" make some pretty boneheaded moves, especially when they feel a need to try to produce huge growth after saturating a market, or if their business results somehow fall short of some need (either actually losing money, or some arbitrary self-imposed "goal" not being hit).

Currently there's an epidemic of businesses making some pretty dubious long term decisions for the sake of trying to prop up numbers amidst a receding market reality. Recessions are, in part, a self-fulfilling prophecy, where whatever impetus exists, it's exacerbated by every participant screwing things up further.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its the same ethos of those CEOs that are demanding everyone must return to the office. No ifs, or buts.

They damage moral which takes years to build up, they further announce layoffs which destroys whatever moral was left.

These idiots never seem to be held accountable.

Honestly, these management types need to be case studied.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We have to start holding them accountable ourselves, because the system sure ain't gonna do it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's looking like 1776 time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's a VC CEO, he's there to pump the company for everything it's worth for maximum stock returns.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I just checked the stock ticker for Unity and it fucking tanked. So that can't be it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't put it past them to short their own stock while they make announcements then go long once things settle down...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How the fuck is that even legal?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It isn't. That would be Insider Trading.

But it doesn't stop people from trying (and sometimes getting away with) it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

No one said they were good at their job

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe it grew too big or the wrong way for their taste? Good reason to fire a few hundred and restructure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even though this is bad and many developers won't want to use Unity, I think there still may be enough devs that will comply and generate more profit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

If you were at the start of your journey right now and were trying my decide between Unity, Unreal or any other tool.... Would you be choosing Unity?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Let's hope not. We can't be complicit in our own subjugation any longer.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is Big Godot pulling the strings to entice people to jump ship to their free and open source game engine. The plan is dastardly, but effective. Can't use other game engines if there are no other engines left standing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You know, if Godot was actually a for-profit endeavor, I probably would believe you.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

It's not only the CEO, it's all the board. Don't think he can do this kind of shit alone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It can’t just be for money.

Lol (litterally)