ChildeHarold

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's certainly an intriguing idea, but its not as good as the current system. It's a hyperreality of voting that would simply exaggerate flaws of the current system.

First off, good luck keeping anything anonymous. And, even if you could, candidate anonymity is a horrible idea, because you'd have even less accountability and more campaign dishonesty than you have now. Without anonymity, politicians have to at least try to fulfill campaign promises if they want to get reelected. But with anonymity, I can get elected and not follow through on campaign promises because when I run for reelection nobody knows which candidate is me and I can just lie again.

You'd probably also seriously exacerbate political capture. In the interest of putting forth the best policy proposals, people like presidential candidates would certainly outsource writing to powerful lobbies that have the top policy analysists and writers. And these lobbies or other groups would almost certainly only offer services in exchange for certain favors once the candidate is in office. It would lead to massive corruption, more than we're already seeing, because at least without anonymity we can put names to faces and prompt some honesty.

Plus, you'd cut out so many candidates. Not everyone excels at writing. Some candidates might articulate their plans best in real time and on a stage (like JFK, or Reagan, etc.). Demanding that everyone only write and publish policy proposals removes the ability to gauge how good they'd be in office, interacting with staff and other world leaders.

Combining anonymity with a bracketed system would also create an echo chamber, where candidates learn each other's messages every round and the survivors shift to mimic the most popular message to bolster their odds of making it into office. In the end, all 3 people will sound the same in a desperate bid to copycat the clear winner and steal votes. Which obviously creates issues for voting again, like the aforementioned Condorcet's paradox.

Also, voter engagement. We can barely get people to turnout when they are emotionally won-over by a given personality candidate, it would probably crater if voting were a purely rational process as @lifeinmultiplechoice suggests. If you take after John Adams or Rousseau, this isn't entirely problematic because you don't believe in carrying out the principle of "the will of the people" in a literal sense (not to say J.A. was Rousseauian, he obviously was not, but they overlap in this area of restricted voting). But if you are interested in accurately representing "the will of the people" in a non-gnostic sense, this is obviously an unsatisfactory system.

This isn't meant to dismiss @lifeinmultiplechoice out of hand, I admire the imagination. I think they're onto something when they point out that technology has sort of... swapped lenses on the camera of Democracy. We can seriously reinvent Democracy in ways that overcome previous hurdles due to all our technology now... we just don't know how exactly yet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the link you shared is paywalled, curious about it but can't find it anywhere else. Could you link as pdf?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 days ago (9 children)

this is stupid too. Democracy is mathematically impossible. Condorcet's paradox and all that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

I live to please.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (13 children)

this is stupid.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago

people like you, frankly, disgust me. You are selfish and lazy but don't want to admit it because you don't have the willpower to change, so to convince yourself you are good and avoid responsibility for your immaturity you to hide behind a manufactured righteous indignation by moralizing autonomy, pretending to care by removing any responsibility you have towards others and towards society. But I see right through your pathetic facade. You don't care about sex workers, you're a selfish P.o.S that doesn't want to care about them, so you disguise your apathy as a twisted form of altruism. Grow up, you imbecilic child.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago

haha clearly I don't know. but from the few comments who actually tried to address my question, it seems to be a much more visceral thing. I guess rooted more in attraction than anything else. which answers my question in its own indirect way I suppose.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh I dare talk about permitting people to do things with their bodies. I WILL NOT permit someone to harm another person, even if they want to use their own body to do it. I WILL NOT let another person inject themselves with addictive chemicals that will inevitably cost them their lives. I WILL NOT permit a person to rape someone else, even if its what they want to do with THEIR BODY. Just because its "your body" doesn't mean you are morally justified in doing whatever tf youw ant with it. Grow up. You're pathetic.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I just don't understand how. like, why?

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