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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

Let’s see your tune in 4 years lmao all you fuckwits who stayed home did was force everyone to live under the authoritarians right now. You sacrificed marginalized groups because of a complete lack of perspective and selfish bullshit.

You have four years every year to push for candidates you like. Local and state offices. So many opportunities to volunteer and donate. Then you all show up having done NOTHING during that time, strolling up in the general election endlessly complaining and moaning. I’m so fucking sick of it.

Change takes work and time. Sitting around whining online doing nothing for 3.5 years then showing up in the general is not putting in the work. It’s being entitled brats.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (12 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Or we can go directly to the bottom frame like we're gonna do - but go ahead and keep rationalizing why your moral pedestal was too lofty to vote for Kamala.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only fascists can be accurately represented by Kamala Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Too many commenters here do not understand anything about how any of it works, especially how first past the post voting works. Progressives do not seem to understand that the system has not rejected them, but the voters have.

It is mostly relentless propaganda for the oligarchs that has captured the country. That’s the problem, and it is not fixed by any of the suggestions here.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Incidentally that's also the effect of not voting for the lesser evil, you can just cut out the two steps in the middle then.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So if you don't vote for the lesser evil it gets salty and joins the evil? Yeah i am not voting for that psycho manipulating abusive shit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

So if you don’t vote for the lesser evil it gets salty and joins the evil?

Not quite. If you don't vote for the lesser evil, it loses influence, which means the greater evil has it easier to shift things over in their direction and control the narrative. They've won after all, so clearly that's what the voters want. The lesser evil will take cues from this.

(It should also be said that this whole meme only really applies to shitty 2-party systems. In a proper parliamentary democracy, you have more realististic choices than "greater evil" and "lesser evil" and don't have to play this stupid game at all.)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

*Long term effects of a broken 2 party voting system...

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

IMO the only way around this problem in the USA is to either (A) get a third party to the point of legitimacy where people will take them seriously be winning seats in the house and senate, and eventually running for the presidency, or (B) win a primary in one of the two major parties. By election day there is nothing to do but vote for the least worst option.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 days ago

also known as

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (9 children)

This is a lie. People just spread this to trick you into not voting so the Republicans win.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is a lie spread by corporate elites that want to make sure both parties align with their interests instead of having Democrats create a popular platform and win on that basis.

Did you learn nothing from hanging on to Biden until even the billionaire donors got scared by his dementia?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Not sure this makes sense. I think the window shifts right as people continue to vote right.

From the Wikipedia article about the Overton window:

The most common misconception is that lawmakers themselves are in the business of shifting the Overton window. That is absolutely false. Lawmakers are actually in the business of detecting where the window is, and then moving to be in accordance with it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Funny that a lot of people see this shit and immediately go but Dem and Rep, this shit applied for a lot of countries that have more than 2 parties. When the more popular parties are all shit people go with "lesser evil".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Voting for lesser evil is important although the lesser evil is still evil

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Voting for non evil is the way to go. By keeping to vote for the lesser evil, you get it to become more evil while keeping non evil out of power. This is how the system games you.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The short term effect of voting for the "greater evil" (or not voting at all): straight to the far, far right.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago (48 children)

No.

Look at how the system actually works. There are two choices. Both candidates have to compete for all the people who vote. If you sit out the election that doesn't mean either candidate will try to get your vote; they'll ignore you and go after the people who do vote.

Someone else came up with this analogy. It's like the trolley problem except the there's a third option. The third choice is to throw the switch to "Neither," but "Neither" isn't connected and the trolley kills someone anyway.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My friend, what you wrote totally ignores the passage of time. Everything you wrote is true if we only look at one election, and none of it is true if we consider the passage of time and how pressure operates. If the political party is not getting votes, if all of their candidates are losing, either they will disband or they will find different policies to push.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Actually I paid attention to history. The pendulum swung the other way a few years back; arch Conservative Ronald Reagan courted the Left by picking the first woman on the Supreme Court and making Colin Powell his Number One guy.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

Or as Rush put it, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Honestly I'm just at the point where I'm sitting back watching this country be torn apart. Everything anyone ever has done is wrong but also maybe it's right and everyone acts like they know which is which. The country is entirely divided when the war within itself kicks off I'll be just on my porch watching because I'm done trying to make heads or tails of this mess.

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