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[–] [email protected] 161 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

It's not just Netflix, it's every licensing issue in every country.

I love lots of foreign television, but quite a lot of it isn't immediately available (or ever available) in my country.

If I want to watch those shows or movies, I am literally at the mercy of the piracy community helping me access them, because there's a good chance that it's either months or years away from release in my country, or that I'll be unlucky and it will never release here at all.

It's a completely broken system, and Gabe Newell called it what it was over a decade ago. Piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem.

It won't be solved without massive changes to international copyrights and how shows/movies are bought and sold on an international market.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Pricing doesn't hurt.

But yeah, people will pay for convenience. Nobody wants to dig around for pirated links if a simpler option is available.

But yeah, I hear you on international licensing. I try to keep up with Star Trek content and man, I don't know how you can bungle up a licensig deal that much.

The latest bit of genius includes Amazon Prime listing three seasons of Lower Decks, but the third season consisting on a page that tells you they don't have that season available, despite having had it before.

There is a fourth season. It's not available anywhere.

I gave up and pirated it, knowing it will eventually show up in a service I do own. It was all getting spoiled for me in social media anyway.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It was all getting spoiled for me in social media anyway.

I thankfully haven't seen any spoilers for anything since moving to Lemmy... on other sites it's silly easy to accidentally run into a spoilers for anything remotely popular 😭

Unless you follow ST communities here... then oops I guess spoilers are in your feed for each episode 😳

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

And you know what? It makes sense. A big part of making a moment of a media launch is to get like-minded people talking about it. It's harder now that media is largely on-demand, so it's great to have a place to go for the discussion afterwards.

Which is why staggered, inconsistent launches make no damn sense in the 21st century. When pirates can deliver a way to join that hype moment and you can't, for the content you're creating on the service your followers are already paying for you have entirely missed the point.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

geolocking as a technology is a kick in the throat to humanity and all its cultural and technological achievement

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Would it even require massive changes? The framework is already built for music. The idea behind compulsory licensing is that any radio station can play any music, and the royalty rates due to the copyright holder are set in advance. The music industry fought tooth and nail to prevent streaming sites from getting access to their content, but it's now their biggest revenue source.

A world where Netflix, Disney, Paramount, Max, and all the others could use each others' (and literally all) content and pay for every stream would practically kill video piracy almost overnight. Make them all compete on their quality of service, instead of the size of their siloed library. And in the end, both customers and rights-holders would almost certainly be better off.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Me: This guy looks and sounds like the dude that fixed my old Mac Book Pro.

*checks Google*

Me: Well I'll be damned...

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If you go through his old videos you'll see him doing exactly that. There's a non-zero chance your computer's guts are in there in excruciating detail.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Id feel weirdly awkward and embarassed seeing my computers innards posted in a YouTube video, and I don’t know why. Like if my middle school yearbook photo showed up on Facebook.

That actually happened to me recently. My grade school best friend posted a pic from a field trip like 30 years ago and I’m naming off every person in it like I just saw them yesterday…then I see one person in it and I’m like “who the fuck is that hideous looking child? Is that me??? Shit that’s me”

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It was probably more embarrassing for the guy who had cum in his macbook

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Not saying I don’t some times agree with the guy, but he peddles outrage. Every video is some gripe about something. I get tired of being angry some days. Just chill out man!

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Well he also repair macbooks and does a lot of good stuff for right to repair.

But his most popular videos are angry old man screams at cloud so that's probably you keep seeing.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Absolutely. I feel like his videos were more "reasonable" before. Now they're all clickbait and outrage with angry thumbnails.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Agreed. It's tiring watching social media or going to YouTube. Everything is just made to make you angry or annoyed.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

I usually agree with his takes, but I can't watch more than a minute and a half of a video of his, because it's always an unscripted rant. It's fine though, he usually gets his point across in the first minute anyway, and then repeats himself for another ten minutes.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The comment section here is fucking stupid is what it is. People arguing over right wing.. left wing.. Nazi or whatever other nonsense that is not even related to the goddamn video or the topic at hand.

You either agree to what the creator has to to say in THIS video or you disagree. Stop fucking speculating about their political or religious stand. Don't let lemmy become another shit fest that we just moved from.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

Chill.. people are just having a discussion about the odyssey website this video is hosted on. Some of us have never seen that site before and are discussing it. Just scroll past. Its not that big a deal honestly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Don’t let lemmy become another shit fest that we just moved from.

Lemmy literally started as a political shitfest site. It's just now filled with the people from reddit too.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He is spot on with how being a consumer enters you into an adversarial relationship. It's so incredibly frustrating having to fight for what you already paid for.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

And it's really sad the way that's been normalized.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

I think the problem is the idea of subscription services themselves which has caused companies to become adversaries to the customers rather than partners.

When you pay a one-time fee for an item or service, it's in that business's interest to make you feel valued as a customer, to bring you good so that you are likely to pay one-time fees again in the future.

With a recurring fee model, it's in the business's interest to make you use their service less while still paying, because if you use it too much they lose money, and if they price it according to how the power users use it then it won't be a competitive deal.

Example: when you get flights costing $200 per domestic trip, the airline wants to make you feel not terrible for choosing them. But if instead of that you paid $1000 a month to fly domestically "as often as you want", they will degrade the experience so that you wouldn't even want to fly more than 5 times per month, like duct tape you to your seat if they were allowed to, or put restrictions like "only to these cities" or "only on our 3am flights" or "only on trips less than x days or longer than y days".

No matter the industry, the whole premise of the RR model is to trick you into pretending you still have whatever original value of service, while screwing you in every possible way just short of the point that causes you to cancel. That makes them the most money.

I used to pirate because I was a broke kid. Now I have money (not as much as Rossman and no money for these subscriptions) but I too need to find value when I give this money I earned to someone who makes a thing. As Rossman said, if you're tinkering to get the thing you paid for, at that point you might as well tinker and not pay for it.

P.S.: Rossman is aware his whole shtick is "angry man yells at cloud while sometimes petting cat". I get many people don't like it. Don't watch it then. Odysee is just Rossman's spare platform in case YouTube doesn't like him anymore for whatever reason. Yes it's full of loonies (and you can call Rossman one too if you want) but just don't give them your attention.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (3 children)

With a recurring fee model, it's in the business's interest to make you use their service less while still paying, because if you use it too much they lose money, and if they price it according to how the power users use it then it won't be a competitive deal.

You know I never thought of streaming services this way, but you're absolutely right. Any service running on a regular subscription model falls into the "gym business model" where the ideal customer is one who is paying but never showing up. That way, their operational costs stay constant while revenue goes up.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

It's not just that it hasn't gotten better in 20 years like he says, it has actively gotten worse.

Maybe before DRM would fuck with the quality of the media or block you from using it the way your prefer (despite paying for it to do what you want), but now it's exactly that, PLUS they're clawing for every scrap of data from their consumer base in order to market it to third party vendors.

I'm ready to buy stock in tin foil and live in the woods off my own urine, this shit has gotten so bad. I just want them to leave me alone and let me live without being constantly servailed and targeted with ads. Is the offer really to be made miserable and unsatisfied about my life and possessions in exchange for another season of a shitty remake of a early 2000s IP?

I fucking hate the anthropocene. Let's just pack it up and shut it down, there's nothing left for us here.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pirates have known this for decades. Buy DRMed media means you can lose access to it at any time. And these subscription services that limit access for paid services e.g as soon as you travel, access to certain stuff is lost, sometimes the access to the entire service is lost. Additionally, for some reason, pirated stuff often has better quality than paid stuff - it's something I cannot fathom.

It was possible to get pirated 4k stuff as soon as it was released years ago, but most paid services couldn't provide that. The biggest reason being you couldn't buffer it. It only buffers a few seconds and then stops. Pirated stuff can be downloaded ahead of time and watched without buffering on a shit connection.

Fuck Netflix. What I hated most about them was they decided during the pandemic that too many people were watching stuff at 1080p, so they dropped the quality of streams to 720p. Lol. A great way to get people to pirate.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Personally, the current environment has led me to avoid most of the popular culture instead.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

Just one point of view: I'm too poor to even buy food, but pirating books keeps me informed about current affairs and shit. It also enables me to stay alive because I still have access to my favourite authors, which makes me so happy and try to stay alive for one more release date.

Full disclosure: I've gone from a very good job to debilitating disability over 10 years in Europe. Also, before this, I bought hardback books of everything I liked. I'll do this again as soon as I can afford it. I'll always support authors as much as I can.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

They altered the deal.

It was a good deal a few years back, so piracy decreased a lot, and streaming company profits grew a lot. Everyone was happy.

But then they altered the deal. It's no longer worth the money, and any movie or TV show they have can disappear at any time. They also decided to start flirting with ads, so they burned a lot of trust by doing that.

It's hard finding something worth watching. Once you have seen the few good shows at one streaming company, the rest is so awful nobody wants to touch it. So the subscriber is supposed to sign up to many streaming companies... Costing them tons of money.

If streaming companies were smart, they would work together and create one streaming service with all existing movies and TV shows, and set a fair price, and depending on what movies or TV shows people choose to watch, the profits go to whatever company makes the best content.

But working together is not what you do in capitalism...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (25 children)

Eh... what the hell is that link? The recommended videos on that place are WILD.

I had heard some rumblings about Rossmann being on some weird alt-right focused service, but I had honestly forgotten and I wasn't expecting to get a faceful of it by accident. Yikes.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (9 children)

It's odysee, a frontend to lbry, a sort-of decentralized alternative to Youtube. Which seems very enticing, because an alternative to Youtube is badly needed.

Unfortunately, at the moment it is completely overrun by religious nutjobs, Nazis and other assorted scum. It is not by its nature an alt-right service, but it does attract all those who would be banned anywhere else.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

odysee is a weird place, lots of "creators" that were forced off youtube and other places for far out views or outright dangerous lies ended up there as they have almost no rules.

There are a lot of non-far-right weirdos that use it, but it is hard to scroll through without seeing some fringe crazy shit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Jesus Christ, you weren't kidding. One of the recommended videos for me was "Why the crusades were completely justified!" Yeah, fuck that crazy shit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Look at this fucking shit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every other recommend video had the word "justified" in it. It's recommending similar videos on the titles alone. I'm not defending it, just pointing out how weird that is.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

And that's why we all pirate stuff every once in a while

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

c/technology comments: Talking about the video.

c/piracy comments: Oh no! Where's some Right-wingers on Odysee. So it's bad.

I'm sorry. But really c/piracy...really.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve never heard anyone compare pixelation size to their cat’s poop before.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Anyone know what he's alluding to with his repeated "catching fish in my backyard with a net nudgenudgewinkwink" remarks?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Piracy. He won’t come out and actually say it which could incriminate himself. Also he just setup a Koi pond in his backyard and put a 24-7 live webcam stream of it. There is really nothing more to it.

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