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Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Satya Nadella has given an evasive answer there and both Zuckerberg and the journalists have been taken in.

It is common in programming languages that have a lot of boilerplate to use code generation, where you take some information about data and generate code automatically, like code that translates data between formats (for example reading and writing xml for saving to disk or json to send over the network). Being very routine to write and easy to deduce logically from other information, this process has been automated for years and years, long before AI existed.

Microsoft's flagship software such as operating systems, office software, is unbelievably vast and complex, far beyond the complexity of most business software, and has been developed over decades. They absolutely have not replaced 30% of their code since the very recent advent of useful AI. I can believe that 30% of it is automatically generated, but not by AI.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Wonder how much of Windows 10 was written by Stack Exchange?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

And its all Teams.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Does that mean that Microsoft shares are gonna crash?

[–] [email protected] 378 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Horseshit.

The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.

"You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer." Continues to give wrong answers.

Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.

I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This ^

"20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories"

Now, if they had said "20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months..." I might buy that.

The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.

No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even 20% of new code would be a stretch unless they count every first iteration of code written by AI that needs to be replaced by a human later because it was plain wrong.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe they're counting the six iterations of code it gives me as I tell it what's wrong with each one.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They say that because they are selling it.

And yeah, my experience is the same. The most frustrating is when writing in a typed python, and it gives answers that are clearly incorrect, making up attributes that don't even exist etc.

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[–] [email protected] 159 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

He used the words "written by software". This is ambiguous and doesn't mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.

They're exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Intellisense in visual studio has also been really good for over a decade. Which is technically also written by software and not me.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

People have been using annotations to generate code since I rode my dinosaur to work.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (24 children)

So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago

That’s… not something to be proud of.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago

Power move by the zucc by first asking how much genai is used at Microsoft then refusing to answer his own question at Facebook 😂

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago

Well, that explains Windows 11.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I bet they’re counting code written while someone had an AI plugin installed as “written by AI” and I bet that accounts for almost all of that 30%. On top of that, I’m betting that they made it mandatory to have such a plug in, and the other 70% is just code written before they mandated this.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.

All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Everybody saying this is why their products are shit are really confusing me. It's not like Microsoft just started being terrible. They've been terrible for a real long time. Way before AI was a thing. This is just a symptom of Microsoft's awfulness not a reason for it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Ok, it's like this.
Ms used to release shitty stuff. And they'll continue to release shitty stuff except now it'll be 30% more shitty.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This only makes sense if they are counting intellisense auto complete as "AI written"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

So this explains why Microsoft Swiftkey is total dogshit now. Also why the Outlook app barely works.

Its unbelievable.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Up to" can also be 0%. Why is there even a need to say "up to" here.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of "primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage".

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Well, that would explain a lot.

I'm also guessing that at "up to 30%" of the company's leadership decisions are being made by AI too.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (10 children)

If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.

But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's why their products are so crappy!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

We know Microsoft.

Hardly possible not to noticce..

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

"30% of my pants is pooped"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Code written by software doesn't mean AI unless you ignore compilers

Executives lie to boost profits and justify their decisions, I doubt MS execs even know how much of their code is AI generated just like the ad sales company exec they were talking to in the article

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm still forced to use Microsoft Outlook and teams, unfortunately, and boy oh boy is it bad.

Yesterday i spent 45 minutes of a 1,5 meeting (that would have been 45 minutes) on trying teams to please try and use the right microphone, please share a screen (not working under Firefox or chrome now, apparently)

I can't wait for the day that I have some time to get us off that dog shit

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Windows hate train looks fun, but as someone who works in the industry, most of that code is probably just unit tests and boilerplate stuff.

Copilot is decent at quickly writing huge amounts of mostly correct, tedious unit test code, depending on your language/framework. And since Microsoft works with languages like C# and .NET for their native apps, and likely backend too, there is quite a bit of verbosity that Copilot can take care of. Also, documentation might count as well.

No real code is AI-generated. He's just saying shit like this to keep idiot investors happy.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

This makes sense and would explain the mainline windows versioning and probably the xbox versioning too!

Microsoft to AI: List all the integers from one to eleven.

AI: 3. 95. 98. 2000. XP. Vista. 7. 8. 10. 11.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is this why they haven't said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don't know.

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