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Does Friendica for instances, have something like Facebook Messenger going on? What would be the best for real time communication on both phone and desktop?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Matrix or XMPP. Personally I’d go with Matrix. World’s on fire and Matrix is encrypted by default.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

A couple days ago, I stumbled into an interesting take on Matrix without the setup barriers: https://letsconvene.im/

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Messengers are the archetypal example of software that has to deal with the network effect. IMO we don't have the luxury of trying and using lots of FOSS messengers and never picking a winner. At some point there has to be only one left if we want anyone to use it.

The frontrunner candidate is Matrix.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wouldn't care if I had to use multiple messanger apps. There used to be a pc program that let you login to msn, irc, and yahoo messanger all at once and manage your accounts in one place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pidgin… which still exists

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Holy moly, I didn't know that Pidgin is open-source! Maybe I'll reconsider it...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, it was called Pidgin. But things become more complex when you add E2E encryption. The ideal destination is a single agreed protocol, just like one exists for things like telephones, the web, and email.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For group chat, I'd agree, but Matrix is awful for 1:1 chat. The encryption is a PITA, confusing, and, by now, I'm convinced it will always be.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sad if true. I don't see it being practical to tell people to use different apps depending on the number of interlocutors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That's what it was supposed to solve, but in practice it's used very rarely because it requires running your own server for the puppets, and few people are going to do that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sup is one. It's from the dev of Pixelfed. Unlike the other non-fediverse platforms the others mentioned here (XMPP and Matrix), it will use the ActivityPub protocol and will be E2EE.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

sounds like a vanity project has half his name and should that man really be spreading himself more thin, is loops even federated

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Frankly, I don't like dansup and his cocky behaviour. But if Sup ever does become reality, then it will be a real alternative. And no, Loops is not federated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

XMPP, all modern clients support OMEMo E2E encryption out of the box. Works on all platforms.