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Hey there

Was wondering if there were any serious research papers of discussions to really established and prove some modern art stuff was not made by AI

a non subjective way of labeling it as such, something secured or sure

For visual art, music, whatever

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the artist is concerned, they can film or otherwise document their creative progress or snapshot stages of production over time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

They are also training AI with those progress videos so eventually AI can imitate it as well. Posting/sharing any content publicly is potential fuel for AI trainers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know you are looking for papers so it is probably yhr latter, but I started typing and refuse to stop babbling.

Are you talking about art you create or to verify works you have come across?

If you are making it, document the process. Easy to prove something when the steps are shown, like screenshots of work in progress or photos of the setup before taking a photgraph which AI can't reliably recreate.

If it is something else, it will be like photoshop where there are or will be some telltale signs to looks out for when observing in fine enough detail. Like currently a lot of AI art has the number of fingers peoblem but also has problems with getting lighting consistent in different ways than humans tend to. A lot of written text has some telltale features as well.

But proving something is human created and definitely not AI is hard because we use a lot of tools that could be mistaken for AI if the tools have complex algorithms. Something made in photoshop bynaltering a photo by a human with intentional actions might end up looking like AI for example. Same with music.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

proving something is human created and definitely not AI is hard

Is it? I thought we could just look for the soul and/or intention in the art? Because as everyone on Lemmy knows and is always saying, AI art isn't art because it lacks both soul and intention. Therefore, it should be easy to tell it apart from real proper human art. Shouldn't it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Just look for the boop beeps in it, obvs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're barking your sarcasm up the wrong tree

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Am I, indeed? In my view, either AI art is nothing like human art in which case it's easy to distinguish, or it's similar enough that it's not easy to distinguish, in which case it's got to be at least very similar.

There's no middle ground here, you can't logically hold the belief they're obviously fundamentally different but hard to distinguish from one another.

If you disagree with that and want me to agree with you, you're gonna have to tell me why it's wrong. Sorry, I don't just change my mind at "nuh-uh" 🤷

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is one of several recent posts meant to train AI to better hide its fingerprints.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

@[email protected] you then haven't understood my question, since I'm looking for a real way to prove a work is not done by ai, not the contrary, and that makes me a bit sick that each time I ask something on lemmy people suspect me to be something I'm not, and sorry to tell you that big tech don't care about lemmy so definitely nope, but believe what you want, I do care but I shouldn't

This is one of several recent posts meant to train AI to better hide its fingerprints.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Proof of process (e.g. a recording of you making the content) is the most reliable way. Big tech is also trying to push C2PA to mark AI made content, though that most likely will never succeed at what it is trying to accomplish.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

artists can lie

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"modern work" so not a solution at all, this is what I already do but there will be art in the future too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Will there, though?