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screenshot, probably from Ex-Twitter but I saw it on NOSTR, showing a guy saying that training a zoomer to use a PC at work is as difficult as training a boomer, with a reply indicating that there is only one generation that can rotate a PDF and that knowledge dies with us

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

My favorite:

"Where did you save the file?"

"I saved it in Excel"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Don't blame the people, they often cant get a mobile and tablet and computer... blame the awful corporations who made everything an app and pushed locked down mobile and tablets environments

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Then get a laptop and a phone. No one needs a tablet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Then they get a chromium based laptop because those were the most affordable ones they can get.

Appification was generalized and its not ppls fault for growing up in that environment, especially if their parents were not big into computers and couldn't tell the difference.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The key concept they're missing a lot of the time is that software sits within the file system and not the other way around.

This is largely because apps hide this and data is generally stored in one place on your phone (the downloads folder).

Best way to fix it - have 1--2 lessons entirely devoted to finding shit on their computer. My favourite activity is "ok, save your word file, close word, you now have 10 mins to find that file without opening word".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I'd at least start them with something simple like Paint or Notepad. Once they have that down, then you can throw the disaster that is the MS Office file save dialog at them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The working class should hold the bulk of the wealth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

"Should" is doing all the work in that sentence

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

More work than the 1% will ever do.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

The paradigm has changed. The rift between PC and smart phone. Is it really a surprise? My 18yr step kid can at least type on a keyboard with proficiency. Beyond that and installing games in steam, he's lost outside of that. Both I and his mom work in IT. We try to shore up the gaps, but it seems the 'kid' actively refuses to learn.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Farts unhappily

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

People are going to start asking AI to rotate PDFs for them, just like people started asking ChatGPT to do math; it’s a terrible idea but will probably work 80% of the time, and that’ll be good enough for most people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is there a ghostscript way to rotate pdf?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yes. (not sure if you wanted it actually posted the GS way is kinda long) there are a good 10+ different tools to do it on command line though. Even imagemagick's "convert" command that does virtually every image format can also rotate a pdf. qpdf, pdftk are very popular too.

I actually found a thread that lists all the tools I did and even the "gs" command lol https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/394065/command-line-how-do-you-rotate-a-pdf-file-90-degrees

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Can confirm, imagemagick is bad with PDF quality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

You have to set the quality to 100 and density to something high (150 or 300) because it'll set it to 72ppi and it also has to become before the input file name. It's like GS and wants virtually every parameter set by you and the defaults are like bare minimum it doesn't take them from the actual file.

That being said just use qpdf or pdftk lmao

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Yep I've noticed that too. I get questions like "what is the difference between downloading and installing" from people that are over 18 years old and under 30.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm not a kid (see my other replies in this thread lol), but I've never had to use PDFs for much at all. The closest I've ever been to editing one is clicking a box to draw a signature or check a checkbox.

So I've gotta ask. Why would one need to rotate a PDF? They would be made on a computer, and naturally default to the correct orientation, no? I can't imagine why one would ever be sideways.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Pdfs are not always made on computers. In most office environments you are going to run into scanned documents. Scanners like to do funny things and people dont always put all the pages in the correct orientation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Scanners like to do funny things

I know it's not very relevant, but that reminds me of a talk held during a CCC (Chaos Computer Club) convention.

It's in German, but I'll try to summarize it: Someone noticed the numbers on a scanned page didn't match the original, so they hired an expert to find out what happened. Turns out that the printer they were using had a feature that would detect symbols that looked the same and basically copypasted ome cutout of the symbol onto the other to save space on the final PDF. Due to the print/copy quality, this substitution sometimes malfunctioned, substituting similar looking symbols, such as 8 and 0.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I see. I didn't think I ever heard about that. I'm only familiar with them as in a digital version of paperwork, not a digital copy of a document.

I understand exactly how that happens then.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You can scan a document to PDF, sometimes the default orientation isn't correct.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I'm a zoomer and ngl I cannot relate to this

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