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I fled Reddit due to the authoritarian mod craziness, but Lemmy.world seems infested with too much Communist craziness. I'm leftist, but communism is idiocy. Is there an instance that leans more democratic socialist but refrains from going off the deep end?

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world is actively opposed to Marxism and Communism (from moderator and admin POV).

As a side-note, all Communists support democracy, "democratic socialism" is usually ill-defined and meaningless, to one person it means the Nordics and to others it means Marxism without revolution, it only really hurts description.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 57 minutes ago

Lol Cowbee is a well known Tankie, .world is anti-tankie, which are authoritarian "communists"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

.world is the most liberal place on the lemmy lmao. If they are too left for you idk what to tell you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

i'd like to hear your take on "communism is idiocy".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 56 minutes ago

They're almost certainly conflating communism with the authoritarian flavor so enjoyed by the tankies of .ml/hex/grad

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“Authoritarian mod craziness”? What communities were you hanging in where this was such a widespread problem?

Also .world is definitely not overwhelmingly communist. You need to start subscribing/blocking just like you probably did on Reddit. There’s no underlying algorithm making decisions for you here. You have full control of what you see. If you don’t like what you see, you can fix it!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TBF, I got banned from Reddit after RvW for saying riot police should quit their jobs en masse. Reddit likes to quench any kind of dissent

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hate the shithole site and Spez but I’m struggling to believe that’s all there is to the story

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

The thread it was on was an absolute shit show. Right wingers were out en masse reporting every left leaning comment. Eventually the mods and admins showed up and began deleting or banning every left leaning comment, even relatively mundane ones.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm surprised you see a ton of that on lemmy.world, always found that instance rather tame and moderate, at least by lemmy standards. Certainly compared to Hexbear, ml and Lemmygrad. Are you sure those weren't federated posts from those instances? Anyway, lemm.ee is pretty neutral, lemmy.dbzer0.com leans more anarchist. But you could also just stay on .world and subscribe to communities that align with your views on whatever instance. Unless you have an issue with the moderation on .world specifically, it doesn't really matter.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone similar to you, blocking and stuff seems the right approach vs. trying to find a specific instance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bingo. Making a new account somewhere else likely won't help. The only way it would is if all the content OP objects to comes from a single instance and they find another instances that's defederated frrom that source instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

@[email protected]

@[email protected] @[email protected]

adding my voice to the mix. I have always advocated blocking. My experience with mmo chat taught me that a cesspool can turn into a pretty nice place with some blocking. My basic rule is subscribe to what I like and block what I don't and everything else im indifferent to. don't like sports then block those communities. like comics and subscribe to those. indifferent to animal pictures then let it lie and you will see them when you browse all.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

🤔

lemmy.dbzer0.com is anarchist and stongly hates all states, both USA and the Russia, China types.

lemmy world is neoliberal, I mean, tankies do post there, but the moderation is mostly neoliberal and are anti-violence absolutists, even if its directed towards nazis

lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and hexbear.net (now chapo.chat) are tankies, avoid those

Pretty much everyone else on lemmy are anti-authoritarian and pro- socialist policies, some are social democrats, others are democratic socialists, some are anarchists.

If you don't like tankies:

lemmy.dbzer0.com (we have [email protected] 😉)

sh.itjust.works

lemmy.ca

sopuli.xyz

piracy community is blocked on lemmy.world btw, so you might as well joine us, or any of my recommended ones.

TLDR: lemmy.world is not "communist", just just a few tankies that love to post thinnly veiled authoritarianism.

Edit: Also, you are probably seeing federated posts from lemmy.ml, I block most of those communities except like a few non-political ones like c/privacy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Also Blåhaj. Seems to be pretty anarchist from what I've seen, and I'd say Blåhaj is perfect if you're queer, especially trans.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spamming emojis just makes you look ridiculous and like your opinions don't matter

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Replying uselessly to comments you don’t like just to defend a censorship-happy neoliberal hivemind hotbed makes you look like a petty, bored, very gullible person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'd call .world default liberal instead of neoliberal personally. A lot of demsoc types.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

That’s fair. However, I’d say anyone that is just fine with the deaths of >50,000 innocent people because of some tenuous revenge premise fall closer on the politicial spectrum to Reagan or Bush than anyone I’d even consider labelling a “liberal”.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's talk about this in a little more detail.

What do you consider going off the deep end? What do you consider leftist? Which ideas do you consider idiocy? What is your idea of a society worth living in?

I personally am open to any ideas that exclude discrimination of identity. For me the tolerance paradoxon applies.

I'm happy to hear your thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (5 children)

I'm also looking for a place without edgy or crazy people.

For me its:

Democratic: yes

Socialism/social net/sharing/helping: yes

Dictatorial: no

Tankie: no

Undemocratic: no

China or CCCP/URSS worship: no

Soviet whitewashing: no

That's about it.

Edit: I was looking for a community not an instance (I have my own but I still uses .world as I had some trouble, time to migrate back home I guess :-) ) but thanks for all helpful comments!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Block the Lemmy.ml instance and there goes most of those people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think thats valid. You don't have to accept or look at everything.

Do you mind sharing what your ideal society looks like? I think a lot of folks share common ideas but have vastly different labels for them.

I'll go ahead:

I personally want to work. It can be fun. I want to do things I'm actually good at. I want to be able to afford food and housing. I want to know that i wont starve if I become sick or disabled. I want to be able to survive when I'm too old to work regularly. I want my family to be safe no matter what.

I think those are pretty understandable goals. I want to live in a world where this applies to as many people as possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that's a given I think.

No ultra rich people (but you need to dream, so no communist pay either). UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).

The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don't need to work (that much)? I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don't believe me? Go work in some big companies). How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

See! I fully agree on the social aspects of your ideals. I would like to give my opinion on your points. Please read them as ideas, not a form of diminishing your thoughts.

Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that's a given I think.

Actually, i dont think we do. We produce a lot more than we need (food for 10 billion people) and a lot of crap that only fuels consumerism. Not saying there is an alternative yet but maybe we can agree on "some people definitely need to work for us to survive and thrive."

No ultra rich people

Fully agree

(but you need to dream, so no communist pay either).

But do we? Or is it just a concept we use to keep the current situation going? Would we not dream if we just had the same?

UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).

100% agree

The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don't need to work (that much)?

would you rather do an easier job that one you have passion and skills for if they were paid the same? I agree that moving trash or working in the sewers should potentially be paid extra. I think currently, education being expensive, doctors are kept scarce. Make it free and watch.

I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don't believe me? Go work in some big companies).

I have. Huge companies are cancer. Nothing more.

How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here

from the bottom up, as always. We vote as left as possible (those who still can). We demand UBI, free education, free public transport, fair taxes, free healthcare, etc. We build communities (currently underway) to subvert oppressive systems with mutual support groups, etc.

Again, this is just my personal opinion so please disagree wildly if you wish. Just try to stay constructive.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

many instances, like mine, are 'generic on-ramps'. their 'main' purpose is to provide unfettered access to all other instances.

in this way you curate your own feeds by subscribing to what you want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

lemmy.dbzer0.com - anarchist, hates all states, both USA and Russia/China types

Other non-tankie options are

sh.itjust.works - shhhh... 🤫 it... just works... 😉

lemmy.ca - Canadian 🇨🇦

sopuli.xyz - Run by a Finn 🇫🇮

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

db0 is a really cool person. Has the piracy sub there too :-)

Sopuli is very pro Ukrainian. Cool good finnish guy it seems.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago

That’s .ml

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

.world is hardly the home of the tankie, what you see might be posts from lemmy.ml

There are two other places known as lemmygrad and hexbear that are outright communist/tankie that you'll see occasionally brigade when someone posts anything positive about the USA.

This and most others are pretty sane. One that comes to mind for what you're asking particularly might be https://slrpnk.net/signup who seem kind of left but not Stalin left.

Otherwise there's the join Lemmy link at the bottom of any given instance to look through.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

seconding solarpunk, it’s a beautiful movement in general

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Try just joining a local domain which is ostensibly apolitical, then find communities that meet your needs

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the de facto gatekeepers of the genocidal liberal death cult status quo on the fediverse aren’t liberal enough for you, I think you’d feel right at home at https://shitlib.cuck/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Username checks out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

i was as naive as OP back in the day, it's alright bro you'll get there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You should use Hexbear. There aren't any communists there. Just posers who think communism means supporting dictatorships.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Hexbear supports AES, that's nowhere near the same as thinking "communism means supporting dictatorships." It's far easier to find people that have actually read theory on Hexbear than in most other instances on the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m leftist, but

classic lol

.world is about as anticommunist as you can expect, if that's not enough for you maybe you could relocate to one of the Nazi servers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 58 minutes ago

Nah, .world is anti-tankie, but since you are a known Tankie it's unsurprising you would conflate the 2

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

says the .ml person commenting on .world. it does not matter what any particular places people is like unless they defederate from each other. @[email protected] is talking about his experience and is likely not seperating out where users come from. in addition anyone can make a user on any open instance. I actually would like to see more closed instances that are about a particular local groups like sci fi conventions or makerspaces and such.

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