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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago

Perhaps not relevant to the conversation, but if you use and enjoy any FOSS product, donate money to the maintainers when you can

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'd like it if Valve steps up to do the job. They're making hardware that needs WiFi, might as well go all in.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I mean, probably someone at qualcomm will likely take his place? They need drivers for themselves anyway and will probably continue providing them. I have no idea who the contributors of similar drivers are but I'd imagine Intel makes drivers for their wifi chips themselves and contributes them to the kernel since they count as one of the biggest contributors.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What is up with all the maintainers stepping down lately?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

A number of them have written about their reasons- I can't speak for the maintainer this article is about but the general sentiment I've seen from the ones I've been hearing about is that the culture around kernel development is dogwater. Lots of it surrounding refusal to make any space for R4L and shitting on devs working on it, but then also spinning out of that are maintainers likening their quality control responsibilities to being "the thin blue line".

[–] [email protected] 138 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Original creators and maintainers are hitting retirement age.

And not many good younger people are available to take the mantle.

This is the long-term cost of how persnickety FOSS maintainers are when it comes to accepting outside contributions to their work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Note that this isn't exclusive to FOSS, but it's just more transparent.

Over the last decade I've seen my work retire and replace with something not quite the same about 3 times now, owing mainly to some lead retiring and the replacement getting to finally throw it all away like he thought should have been done years ago.

But even in the more mundane case of things continue, it happens all the time in long standing corporate projects. Sometimes you can catch a whiff of a strong shift in direction (e.g. Windows 8 went hard on UWP and actively discouraged development using any of the long standing interfaces that Windows applications were traditionally built on). An announcing of retiring doesn't mean anything will necessarily change at all, or if it changes in a bad way there may be course correction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

It's gotta change to true community, where we lift each other up, looking to the future, readying others to take our mantle when we retire. That's the only way FOSS will thrive and have a chance to compete with corpos.

[–] [email protected] 201 points 2 days ago (5 children)

They were doing this all by themselves?!

[–] [email protected] 202 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, "maintainer" is usually a single person job. They didn't write all the code or whatever, just were the gatekeeper to what got added and making sure shit works.

So I mean, it's not great nobody is stepping up, but it's also not like they magiced up the entirety of linux's wifi support single handed, either.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Other people stepped up like within a day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

That's great! Any idea who?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Where did you read that? I only saw Johannes Berg saying he couldn't maintain that stack too, after three days.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago

There's lots of developers contributing to the wifi drivers, there's just no "lead maintainer" now

[–] [email protected] 115 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Btw, you can embedd the image like that:

![Someday ImageMagick will finally break for good and we'll have a long period of scrambling as we try to reassemble civilization from the rubble.](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dependency.png)

It will look like that:

Someday ImageMagick will finally break for good and we'll have a long period of scrambling as we try to reassemble civilization from the rubble.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oddly xkcd's image has no signature or other information identifying the creator.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Unless you get one of the day's 10'000, it'll be recognised by any tech people.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

The article isn't entirely clear. I get the impression that the person in question may have been the sole maintainer for some hardware-agnostic parts of the wireless stack (which I'd expect to only need active development when a new standard gets greenlighted; should be bugfixes the rest of the time), co-maintainer of the drivers for some atheros chipsets, and the general oversight/coordination guy, but there are other developers working on specific drivers.

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ethernet cable intensifies

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope they invent wireless ethernet

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Maybe we can put it on the open 2.4GHz spectrum and encrypt it with RC4.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you can't bite it, it doesn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Weird that’s what my girlfriend says.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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