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AppData folder: am I a joke to you?
I realize that the OP is a Windows case, but I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time a savegame or config file is stored somewhere totally whack.
I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time a savegame or config file is stored somewhere totally whack.
Fun thing of you enable protected folders on windows: No app can get write access your Documents folder (or Images or Videos or...) unless you put them explicitly on the whitelist. That means you get to experience all the programs that are crashing or hanging or... just because they're simply assuming that that's the best place to dump data and because these folders always exist, you don't need proper error handling in case you cannot access them...
I'm completely self-taught when it comes to Linux, so I have some obvious gaps in my knowledge. I've looked for good write-ups on how Linux folders are intended for use and been unable to find a good resource. Thank you for sharing the official standard name. Reading up on it now.
That's respectable! But yeah, the FHS is something that's surprisingly hard to find in-depth information about if you don't already know about it.
I think this page from systemd (or this page from the arch wiki, if you prefer formatting) has a decent description of not only the FHS, but also the more standard user/home structures.
I continue to be impressed with the Arch community and their dedication to collecting information about Linux into one place. Props to everyone that has contributed! You really are helping users solve problems everyday!
People pretend Arch is a DIY OS but really it's a lego kit with homemade instructions and sometimes a little capuchin comes up to help you put some of the pieces together.
I gave up using the default documents folder because a lot of game developers think that is a good place to store the saves
Everyone here is talking about conventions used on Linux, but this looks like Windows Explorer to me...?
Why are there so many directory names in there following Linux "hidden file" conventions, if that's the case?
If you write cross-platform software, the easiest solution is usually to pretend everything's Unix. You'll hit some problems (e.g. assuming all filesystem APIs always use UTF-8 will bite you on Windows, which switched to UCS2 before UTF-8 or UTF-16 were invented, so now uses UTF-16 for Unicode-aware functions as that's the one that's ABI compatible with UCS2, and passing UTF-8 to the eight-bit-char functions requires you to opt into that mode explicitly), but mostly everything will just work. There's no XDG_CONFIG telling you to put these files anywhere in particular, as Windows is Windows, so most things use ~ as a fallback, which Windows knows to treat as %USERPROFILE%.
Lots of frameworks for applications and games have automatic translation of file paths to sensible directories, but when you're writing software you're probably doing shit fast and dirty until it's ready for release, by that time you now have a bunch of people relying on your software so changing the file structure will cause loads of issues.
This is not a Linux or Windows thing. It's a lazy developer thing. It's also another one of the ways that some devs will coddle the end-user because "learning a file directory system is hard."
I'm pretty sure the .file notation is a bug-turned-feature of a GNU coreutils program, Windows has no such thing and marks files as hidden using filesystem attributes.
I couldn't say whether I prefer it one way or the other, but the dot prefix does stick out like a sore thumb on systems that don't hide them by default... though I think AnyOldName3's explaination makes sense.
fun fact: that dotfiles are hidden on *nix systems was just a bug in the first version of ls (the dev originally only wanted to hide the "." and ".." entry and not every file starting with .), but before the 2nd version could roll around, people have already deemed it a usefull feature so it was never changed.
Man: project zomboid just creates a "Zomboid" folder in home, not even with a leading dot.
They are using windows wrong, put everything on the desktop and don't worry about all those scary files everywhere else.
/S
Are dotfiles a thing on Windows? It's been a while since I used it.
No. Hiding files is still just an attribute.
Actually, technically, it's two. Files marked as system files are treated as hidden as well...
With the downside that files marked as hidden on windows generally can't be read by tools and scripts in the way you expect it.
They are in subfolders of C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming or \Local or \LocalLow.
Or in the program's installation path in C:\Program Files or \Program Files(x86).
Or in a separate directory directly under C:\
Or the settings are handled via Registry keys.
Or whatever the fuck Microsoft Store apps do.
Or any combination of the above.
Nobody wants to develop a tag-based filesystem?
It's basically in use today. Apparently younger generations are more used to searching for files rather than structuring them. https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
Is there an easy to find style guide of how Windows would like you to use these things, cause I never found one.
Appdata, my documents, program files... Everyone seems to be all over the place
I believe the intent is to use appdata for user-specific configs and programdata for system-wide configs.
A lot of apps mess up local vs roaming AppData too. Roaming is for things that would make sense in a roaming profile (ie to sync to other systems) whereas local is for things that should only exist on this system (caches, machine-specific configs, etc)
The guidelines for Windows developers kinda suck tbh. Maybe it's better these days, but plenty of weird legacy software behaviour can be blamed on MSDN.
Don't forget about good ol .minecraft
At least it's in %appdata%, and not in %userprofile%.
.android is either from the Android SDK, or possibly Android Studio so blame either Google or IntelliJ. .vscode is Visual Studio Code which is made by Microsoft so your guess is as good as mine on that one. .eclipse is Eclipse and is a Java IDE approximately the age of dirt and might actually pre-date the AppData folder existing. .ssh is OpenSSH and has been around long enough on the *nix side of things that it might pre-date both AppData and the XDG folder conventions. Not sure about most of the rest.
This is why i never use the default folders, I will always make my own elsewhere.
Amazed that no one can figure out a .config/ or .local/ already
Sure, AppData exists, but do you expect them to... read?
It's frustrating when apps apply Linux-specific behavior to other platforms. No windows apps should be just throwing hidden folders into the user directory!
I hate it. I think a lot of devs who write cross-platform open-source software just use the %userprofile% automatic env variable to dump dotfiles in Windows since it can basically directly replace $HOME. In my opinion using something like %localappdata% is definitely preferred.
