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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4262252

A combination of good high-speed internet coverage, high digital literacy rates, large rural populations and fast-growing fintech industries had put the Nordic neighbours on a fast track to a future without cash.

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But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and a subsequent rise in cross-border hybrid warfare and cyber-attacks blamed on pro-Russia groups have prompted a rethink.

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The Swedish government has since completely overhauled its defence and preparedness strategy, joining Nato, starting a new form of national service and reactivating its psychological defence agency to combat disinformation from Russia and other adversaries. Norway has tightened controls on its previously porous border with Russia.

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[Norway's] justice and public security ministry said it “recommends everyone keep some cash on hand due to the vulnerabilities of digital payment solutions to cyber-attacks”. It said the government took preparedness seriously “given the increasing global instability with war, digital threats, and climate change. As a result, they’ve ensured that the right to pay with cash is strengthened”.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (15 children)

This would suck so bad. My debit card's chip went bad and the bank can't reissue me a new one until it expires. I've been using cash as a fallback when I don't want to do the '3 chip failure timeout then swipe' dance just to purchase some soda.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would be changing banks. That's super unreasonable

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

the bank can’t reissue

You mean they won't. Change banks or threaten to do so, might work.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

GNU Taler to the rescue!

The netherlands are already looking into it: https://www.ngi.eu/ngi-projects/ngi-taler/

The project could be used via paper trail, as far as I understand it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Taler e-money is issued with a validity period. One month before the expiration date, you wallet should automatically exchange any digital cash that is about to expire for new digital cash with an extended validity period.

Haha no, thanks. I really don't understand why Stallman stands behind dystopian statist money.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Woot! It's been a while since I looked into Taler, but I've long held that we should be using it or something like it for digital transactions. I'd love a browser extension that compensates creators for removing ads, for example, and I think this would be a fantastic way to do it. But having it at a national level is even better!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I hoped for a second they meant moneyless.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Sure, but if a cyber attack knocks out your credit card systems in a targeted attack, chances are they're taking your cash machines down as well.

And who carries enough cash around to be useful any more? I know I don't. I might have a £20 note tucked in my phone case at a push.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

£20 should still get you a meal of some kind until the credit cards and cash machines are back, hopefully within a few hours or next day at the latest.

Can't really say I even have that much on me most of the time though - perhaps I should change that, keep a minimum of like €50 that's only touched in an emergency or something. Swedbank has had several outages in the last few months here in Estonia and it affects many stores' payment terminals too.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Funny way to say people dont like the idea of having all financial privacy ripped away from them.

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