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Just take the string as bytes and hash it ffs

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[–] [email protected] 196 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

There’s a special place in hell for those who set an upper limit in password lengths.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I sort of get it. You don't want to allow the entire work of Shakespeare in the text field, even if your database can handle it.

16 characters is too low. I'd say a good upper limit would be 100, maybe 255 if you're feeling generous.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

The problem is that you (hopefully) hash the passwords, so they all end up with the same length.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

At minimum you need to limit the request size to avoid DOS attacks and such. But obviously that would be a much larger limit than anyone would use for a password.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

Also rate of the requests. A normal user isn't sending a 1 MiB password every second

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

The eBay password limit is 256 characters.

They made the mistake of mentioning this when I went to change my password.

Guess how many characters my eBay password has?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Just paste it in here and I count the characters for you.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I sort of get it. You don’t want to allow the entire work of Shakespeare in the text field, even if your database can handle it.

You don't store the original text. You store the hash of it. If you SHA512 it, anything that's ever given in the password field will always be 64Bytes.

The only "legit" reason to restrict input to 16 character is if you're using an encryption mechanism that just doesn't support more characters as an input. However, if that's the case, that's a site I wouldn't want to use to begin with if at all possible.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Oh and also, "change this every four weeks please."

Okay then. NEW PASSWORD: pa$$word_Aug24

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Invalid password, maximum 13 characters.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Reasonable upper limits are OK. But FFS, the limit should be enough to have a passphrase with 4 or 5 words in it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just opened a PayPal account and their limit is 20. Plus the only 2fa option is sms 🙃.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I just double checked and I have TOTP enabled for my PayPal account so it should be an option.

I just found this support article of theirs and it says it can only be enabled through their website and not through the app (why?!) so you might be running into that?

https://www.paypal.com/uk/cshelp/article/what-is-2-step-verification-and-how-do-i-turn-it-on-or-off-help167

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

English letters? Really? So basically no a-z, only Æ, Þ, Ƿ, Ð?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago

Ye olde passwarde

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What have the Romans ever done for us?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don’t they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueducts, and the roads…

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Irrigation! I need to rewatch this, it's been too long.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Brought peace?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also Œ, Ȝ, and arguably W and U.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago

Anglo-saxons got the UWU, nice

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You remind me of my bank about 17 years ago. Everyone had to have a 10-character password, exactly, and it had to include exactly 2 numbers and 1 symbol. I wasn't very knowledgeable about computers at the time and it already felt dumb.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

A few years ago my ISP pushed an update to my router that changed the password requirements, invalidating my passwords. Because I couldn't enter the old password I also couldn't change the password. I had to do a factory reset.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Feels odd to check the password requirements on the enter password screen in addition to the new password screen.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

17 years ago, jeez. My credit Union's website is like that. Only its between 8-12 characters. No more, no less.

It's terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At that time my bank allowed up to 6 digits as a password. I kid you not, like a card PIN but for online banking login. I believe the whole banking security relies on their backoffices still running on paper.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

german programmers trying to translate Unterstrich

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

/^\w{6,16}$/

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I had one of those “fancy” Vodafone routers included with my broadband which had a stupid rule set on choosing the WiFi password. It’s my network, not yours, stupid router. It can be as insecure as I want.

Anyway the rules were enforced by the JavaScript so it was easy to bypass until I got my own router to replace it with.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Create a randomly generated password and store it in a password manager

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Assuming we can use both lower- and uppercase letters (52 in total), with the ten digits and the underscore that gives us 63 characters to work with. A random 16-character combination of these gives us 95 bits of entropy (rounding down), which is secure enough by modern standards, at least for a home router.

Regardless, I understand the frustration of arbitrary limitations preventing you from choosing a secure password in a way that you're comfortable with.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Not allowing 20 character passwords is criminal, my bank does this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Just do the Password Game to figure out a good one!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hate that kind of stuff, when I see this I wonder if they hash the password at all

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

admin wouldn't even work. It's too short.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TP-Link.... TP-Link...

I don't trust your bottom barrel software, TP-Link...

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

16 characters was the minimum length a password should be due to how easy it was to crack… something like a decade ago.

Now it’s something like 20 to 24 characters.

Seriously, if your company is defining maximum password length and demanding specific content, it is failing at the security game. Have the storage location accept a hashed UTF-8 string of at least 4096 bytes - or nvarchar(max) if it’s a database field - and do a bitwise complexity calculation on the raw password as your only “minimum value” requirement.

Look at how KeePass calculates password complexity, and replicate that for whatever interface you are using. Ensure that it is reasonable, such as 150-200bit complexity, and let users choose whatever they want to achieve that complexity.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Lol. Imagine thinking TP Link takes security seriously.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Depending on how they do their length check, this "English only" check makes sense in a way. Non-ascii letters are a pain to validate the length of ("🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿" is seven code points and fourteen bytes long, but just one "character" to most people).

I don't know why the max length is that low (I presume it's stored in plaintext) but you can't expect someone to write a good password strength algorithm from a company producing the cheapest routers imaginable.

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