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Amazon failed to adequately alert more than 300,000 customers to serious risks—including death and electrocution—that US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) testing found with more than 400,000 products that third parties sold on its platform.

The CPSC unanimously voted to hold Amazon legally responsible for third-party sellers' defective products. Now, Amazon must make a CPSC-approved plan to properly recall the dangerous products—including highly flammable children's pajamas, faulty carbon monoxide detectors, and unsafe hair dryers that could cause electrocution—which the CPSC fears may still be widely used in homes across America.

While Amazon scrambles to devise a plan, the CPSC summarized the ongoing risks to consumers:

If the [products] remain in consumers’ possession, children will continue to wear sleepwear garments that could ignite and result in injury or death; consumers will unwittingly rely on defective [carbon monoxide] detectors that will never alert them to the presence of deadly carbon monoxide in their homes; and consumers will use the hair dryers they purchased, which lack immersion protection, in the bathroom near water, leaving them vulnerable to electrocution.

Instead of recalling the products, which were sold between 2018 and 2021, Amazon sent messages to customers that the CPSC said "downplayed the severity" of hazards.

In these messages—"despite conclusive testing that the products were hazardous" by the CPSC—Amazon only warned customers that the products "may fail" to meet federal safety standards and only "potentially" posed risks of "burn injuries to children," "electric shock," or "exposure to potentially dangerous levels of carbon monoxide."

Typically, a distributor would be required to specifically use the word "recall" in the subject line of these kinds of messages, but Amazon dodged using that language entirely. Instead, Amazon opted to use much less alarming subject lines that said, "Attention: Important safety notice about your past Amazon order" or "Important safety notice about your past Amazon order."

Amazon then left it up to customers to destroy products and explicitly discouraged them from making returns. The e-commerce giant also gave every affected customer a gift card without requiring proof of destruction or adequately providing public notice or informing customers of actual hazards, as can be required by law to ensure public safety.

Further, Amazon's messages did not include photos of the defective products, as required by law, and provided no way for customers to respond. The commission found that Amazon "made no effort" to track how many items were destroyed or even do the minimum of monitoring the "number of messages that were opened."

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 4 months ago (1 children)

we went from the amazon is burning to i am burning because of amazon

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

🎵 It's the ciiiircle of liiiiiife... 🎵

[–] [email protected] 94 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yup and the all negative reviews are inexplicably removed.

If any physical store got a dangerous product, was made undeniably aware of the danger and continued to sell the product - they'd be in a lot of trouble.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

Likely more than just removed. I'm pretty sure that I left one too many scathing reviews of products that were defective by design or outright frauds, now I can't leave any reviews.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I straight up wouldn't trust Amazon for any electrical safety device. Go to a hardware store or parts distributor.

Even a surge protector from a reputable brand could be suspect - Amazon lets counterfeit products on the storefront all the time, and most sellers barely list any specifications on product pages.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

*car fuses. But yeah, I don't wanna be burned inside a car.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Its still an electrical fuse regardless of whether it goes into a car or a plug

[–] [email protected] 75 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can't wait for them to be hit with their 0.1% fine.

As is tradition.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The issue isn’t the fine. Amazon is breaking numerous federal laws by not managing what is being shipped by 3rd party sellers. They are violating several FAA regulations on thousands of packages daily. At some point they will have to put a plan in place to vet these packages and that will be EXTREMELY costly. We will see a dramatic shift in how Amazon does business in the near future.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is it more costly than buying a senator or two? Cause I bet we’ll NOT see any major changes that could cost them real money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

It doesn’t matter what senators they have, if the FAA/TSA revoke their license to ship using air services they will lose billions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Are you sure about that though? Do you really think they will be held accountable?

I don't think they will be held accountable, they will be hit with a 0.1% fine, even if there are many deaths, and they will move on with their lives.

As is tradition.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

When I was a kid I thought that clearly understandable things (punishment is intended to prevent doing something again, that is, to clearly undo the benefit for the criminal ; best of all be worth twice that benefit ; if not, then those issuing punishment are clearly corrupt, and the punishment should be reconsidered, and they should be removed from power and investigated ; and so on through all the chain) not being met will be seen and violently protested, but later I learned what gaslighting is!

Say, legalism is gaslighting. As in "you should fight evil only by the law which is made by that evil, and you should only consider that law not a law when you've managed to remove it by the rules made by evil".

Any other thing which says "things are normal, no need to break stuff, everybody thinks it's normal, you should too" is gaslighting.

We are a whole civilization gaslighted by parasites into not crushing them.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Where is the list of products? It's gotta be online somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 4 months ago (1 children)

See that is the real issue here. They did not recall them. They did not list them. They did not it seems stop selling them.

The suit seems to be about the fact they did not do what they where supposed to. This is the time when we get to see if our governments have any ability to govern anymore.

https://www.cpsc.gov/s3fs-public/pdfs/recall/lawsuits/abc/142%20-%20In%20the%20Matter%20of%20Amazon.com%20Inc.%20Decision%20and%20Order.pdf

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

That's insane. I have some old Amazon basics surge protectors... I guess I need to assume they are a risk.

I stopped buying this sort of thing a decade or so ago, but I don't see a date here...

I guess none of us should trust any of their products if they aren't going to tell us which ones are dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

i came in here to find out the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There needs to be some serious fines for amazon when they fail to recall and remove unsafe products.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How about bathing the fucking turd Bezos with twenty faulty hairdryers that they failed to recall?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

The e-commerce giant also gave every affected customer a gift card without requiring proof of destruction or adequately providing public notice or informing customers of actual hazards, as can be required by law to ensure public safety.

I was supposed to get a gift card?? I didn’t get a freakin gift card, I have to destroy it and submit a bunch of evidence to the manufacturer to get a refund.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I know cheep electronics are fun but please buy UL Listed stuff

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

Tons of stuff on Amazon just print fake UL listing logos and numbers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Given that there appear to be plenty of overseas sellers that will happily counterfeit a UL stamp, or copy an entire product - including UL stamp - but with different innards, how would we even know at this point?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Which means don't buy electronics on Amazon because you can't usually tell from the listing and if it is, it could just be counterfeit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Kind of reminds me of the Roman empire falling due to the fact that too many lead based products were made.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Deep breath

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Nitpick: Electrocution is killing, by definition. (Perhaps they meant shock?)

Edit for those who don't know: It's a contraction of electric and execution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not a nitpick to know the meaning of the words we use, and how to use them. [email protected] and the arstechnica editors should know better.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Wheatley: "A very minor case of serious brain damage."

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