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The US is investigating if Boeing ensured a part that blew off a jet was made to design standards::The Federal Aviation Administration said that the investigation is focusing on plugs on Boeing 737 Max 9 jetliners.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In basic training our barracks would get "white glove" inspections, where the drill instructor would wear a literal white glove and run his finger over surfaces to detect anything that wasn't clean, dry, and serviceable. And I'm not talking about just the obvious places, but also things like under the benches in the showers, or up and in a wall locker ledge.

The ultimate goal wasn't to hand out demerits, it was to instill a sense of attention to detail in us. They asked us how could we be trusted to maintain nukes for example, when we failed to even find that stray clump of soap scum and pubes in the shower.

So that's all to say: If the boeing apparatus is so fucked that doors are falling off their aircraft mid-flight, what the fuck else have they missed?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what the fuck else have they missed?

If it's Boeing, I'm not going.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

Of course it worked to design standards. The problem is just that the design requirements were "costs the least money" instead of "acts as a functional and safe airplane part."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well, some of them are built so that the plug door doesn’t fall off at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I would also like to note that the safety card blew out too. It’s a miracle they survived without the safety card

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

"One of the employees at Spirit AeroSystems, which reportedly manufactured the door plug that blew out of an Alaska Airlines flight over Portland, Oregon, allegedly told company officials about an “excessive amount of defects,” according to the federal complaint and corresponding internal corporate documents reviewed by us.

According to the court documents, the employee told a colleague that “he believed it was just a matter of time until a major defect escaped to a customer."

https://jacobin.com/2024/01/alaska-airlines-boeing-parts-malfunction-workers-spirit-aerosystems

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The one the door fell off of? That's not very typical; I'd like to make that point. There are a lot of these planes going around the world all the time and very seldom does anything like this ever happen. I just don't want people thinking these planes aren't safe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Well, if this wasn’t safe, why did it have 80+ passengers on it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

part that blew off a jet

I blew off a Jet once. Well... he was from New York and owned a basketball, so probably a Jet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating whether Boeing failed to make sure a panel that blew off a jetliner in midflight last week was safe and manufactured to meet the design that regulators approved.

The FAA asked Boeing to respond within 10 business days and tell the agency “the root cause” of the problem with the door plug and steps the company is taking to prevent a recurrence.

Earlier this week, Boeing CEO David Calhoun called the incident “a quality escape.” He told employees that the company was “acknowledging our mistake ... and that this event can never happen again.”

The day after the blowout, the FAA grounded Max 9 jets, including all 65 operated by Alaska and 79 used by United Airlines, until Boeing develops inspection guidelines and planes can be examined.

On Friday, a Seattle law firm filed a class-action lawsuit against Boeing, saying passengers on the Alaska flight suffered physical and psychological injury and emotional distress.

“Recent accidents and incidents — including the expelled door plug on Alaska Airlines flight 1282 — call into question Boeing’s quality control,” Cantwell said in a letter to FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker.


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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can't wait to see the air crash investigations episode on this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

When 60 minutes returns, we'll talk to engineer Graham Register who had only one job that year...to figure out how to set up the rapid depressurization system RDS and the RDS button documentation....

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

No one died right? Right? I'm scared looking at the seats position, looks like someone got sucked out

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The place next to the door was unoccupied, the incident (fortunately) also happened while the fasten seatbelts lights were still on.

A couple of mobile phones got sucked out but no human.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Good to note that the mobile phones survived as well

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Nope there was a kid sitting there who lost his shirt or something. True luck or what?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Alaska airlines prices are so high they'll take the shirt right off your back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

He sat in the middle seat and still lost his shirt.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

If this was a permanent plug, wouldn't it make sense to have a overlap (flange?) On the inside so it physically wouldn't fit out of the door? They know the pressurisation force is always (hopefully!) Going to be outward.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Skeptical of how throughout this will be since Boeing and government regulatory bodies have quite a large crossover but glad it's happening and hope it's transparent enough to ease doubts.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Spoiler alert: No!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Here is the more burning question: What is worse? Case "It was not made to design standards": Then boing might have a problem in their manufacturing processes, which is going to have ramifications on the entire fleet. This would be bad, but fixable.

Case "It was made to design standards": In that case you only have a problem with this one type of jet, but you have a problem in your fundamental design, which might ground the entire fleet (again).