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Apple responds to the Beeper iMessage saga: ‘We took steps to protect our users’::Beeper, like Sunbird and Texts, sought to find a way to bring iMessage to Android users. Its app, Beeper Mini, worked well. But a few days after it launched, Apple took steps to shut it down.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 9 months ago

Apple is very good at spinning things like this and anti-repair measures that benefit their bottom line as being in the interests of users. They're so good at it they don't even have to lie; using hardware IDs as part of their anti-spam strategy probably works, and locking down repair probably does reduce device theft.

That's not the world I want to live in though.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Apple definitely does, they just think their users are stupid enough to not know the difference.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

~~think~~ know

Your average Apple (or Android) user is dumber than a bag of rocks when it comes to technology.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Infinite growth.

They must gain more profit at any cost so their personal shares and shareholders are appeased. Once you have saturated the only next step is exploitation. Push moral boundaries for profit.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Perhaps I just don’t understand why there is such an allure for Android users to gain iMessage…

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The default OS text messaging apps dominate the messaging space in certain markets - most notably the US. Moreover, Apple has over 50% of the smartphone market in the US.

Sending media from Android to iOS looks like flip-phone trash right now. It’s done via MMS. It’s also not secure.

This will change when Apple starts implementing RCS, but Beeper was a way to start having high quality messaging now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sending media from Android to iOS only looks like trash on all carriers except Verizon. You can send high quality TO iOS if the network supports it.

You can never send high quality MMS from an iPhone, even on Verizon.

I've tested this many times. I've sent 50mb video from a Verizon Android to a Verizon iPhone, it receives a 50mb video. Send the same video back from the iPhone to Android, and iPhone butchers the quality.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No shit everybody in my group uses Apple phones but me and it's a constant bro just get apple and I have to keep reiterating I have no interest in it

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Sounds like your friends are assholes then. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ I have literally never as an adult had someone go "ew green bubbles." Now, my teenage nephew? The iCult is STRONG with kids.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The iCult is STRONG with kids.

This is the real issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s probably old people and not kids at this point, but easier to blame young people than the old.

Who the fuck buys things, adults, not kids.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The problem is they've ingrained the next generation since youth to buy Apple products.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I had women in their 40s express their distaste when I had an Android phone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Then they're assholes. Seems pretty simple, no?

For someone in their 40s, they're probably stuck in the iPhone=rich/Android=poor dichotomy that Apple curated when the iPhone launched. That makes them vain and materialistic, and thus probably not people you want to be around if it's that important to them.

Now, if you want to get into how Apple has been changing the contrast ratios on the text for blue and green bubbles to make the green messages harder to read, as well as intentionally making the green color unpleasant, there's something there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They pretty much just both thought that Android was inferior. Kind of unfair from one, who was a photographer, considering I bought a Galaxy thinking it had a better camera than the current iPhones (it didn't, because the processing and camera app were inferior). So she'd be like "I don't know why you bought that thing.". But she was aware it cost as much as an iPhone at the time.

The other gf was a design snob (worked for a major clothing company as a color designer) and just thought that Android was complicated and tacky. Not that she ever really used it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (10 children)

What is your source on the second paragraph?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's also the fact that there is essentially zero choice when it comes to iPhones. Most people don't care about the tech inside the device, they just want something that works. In the Android world there are so many devices with different specs that it breeds confusion. People buy a cheap Android phone and are like "This thing sucks! Android is terrible!" and go get an iPhone, which works better than the garbage Android device that they used, never trying a top tier Android device like a Pixel or Galaxy.

Back when my mom needed to upgrade her shitty Sharp Aquous Android phone I told her I would pay for it, since she's frugal, she instinctively pointed out the cheapest one at T-Mobile. I told her that it was going to be garbage and she was going to hate it, but she insisted that she wanted that one and didn't care. I bought her a Galaxy S6 instead, which she used for years. When I bought my Pixel 6 Pro, I gave her my Pixel 2 XL, which was still working perfectly 5 years later. She's still using it two years later and has zero complaints.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

They did you a favor by showing who they are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Uhhh, I say ewww green bubbles all the time, except the rest of that thought is, “damn, they need signal”

Fuck SMS, and fuck Apple for fucking this up and not doig the right thing.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Apple finally supporting RCS should end this unless your “friends” are teenagers.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Because iPhone owners are petty and care about the text bubble color.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Also Apple has intentionally made the Android text bubble less readable, so it has a concrete impact

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

how is white on green less readable than white on blue? please elaborate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

how is white on green less readable than white on blue? please elaborate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

They've chosen the green so there's a much lower difference in contrast between the white and green when compared to the white and blue

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

The green is lighter than the blue, meaning lower contrast

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are some people that send a lot of pictures over text messages, who want it for the upgraded image sharing quality. That's a sane enough reason, at least.

On the bright side, the kind of people who judge other people for their text message bubble color are not the kind of people I want in my life. So at least it's another asshole filter.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

i just want to talk to my family on a single non meta owned platform... the only ones to join me on on signal are my dad and my wife, the majority have iphones.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I’d like to use it on desktop. I have to use windows for work but I have an iPhone. People send me messages on my phone and I have to email pics to myself or use Google drive, and it’s a pain in the ass. Using a Mac shows how much more convenient it is to just have it in a desktop app.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Especially with RCS coming to iMessage, rich media features will no longer be gatekept by blue bubbles.

Kids will still also bully other kids for having androids even if they downloaded an app to make their bubbles blue.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

More like protect your profit margin lol

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Headline: Apple be Applin’

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They protected their users because if they didn't they wouldn't have users. I have asked plenty of friends why they don't use Android and their response is "it doesn't have iMessage" and that if it did they would switch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What's so special about iMessage?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Nothing. iPhone users are just happily married to it. I have family/friends that would switch to a cheaper non-iPhone that performs just as well if they could keep using iMessage.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

They spelled moat wrong. If Apple followed through with their promise to bring iMessage to other platforms then Beeper wouldn’t need to exist.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Thank you Apple. You’re my hero. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“We took steps to protect our users by blocking techniques that exploit fake credentials in order to gain access to iMessage,” Apple senior PR manager Nadine Haija said in a statement.

Beeper says its process works with no compromise to your encryption or privacy; the company’s documentation says that no one can read the contents of your messages other than you.

Apple has repeatedly made clear that it doesn’t want to bring iMessage to Android: “buy your mom an iPhone,” CEO Tim Cook told a questioner at the Code Conference who wanted a better way to message their Android-toting mother, and the company’s executives have debated Android versions in the past but decided it would cannibalize iPhone sales.

But Beeper Mini was exploiting the iMessage protocol directly, which clearly prompted Apple to tighten its security measures.

When I say that maybe Apple’s concern is that iPhone users are suddenly sending their supposedly Apple-only blue-bubble messages via a company — Beeper — they don’t know about, Migicovsky thinks about it for a second.

And Apple has made clear it intends to win that game, no matter how badly you want to send iMessages from an Android phone.


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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Sounds like more people should use Signal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you can get them to switch, I'd appreciate it.

I had people switching to Signal as their SMS replacement which was compelling for them. Then Signal dropped SMS support and those people reverted.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Or Threema since it’s from my country and we have a good privacy reputation 🇨🇭

And it works really well and allows you to do what you need it to do of course.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The problem with Threema is it costs money.

It's not a lot of money. It's not an unfair price. It's completely reasonable to expect to pay for services rather than using things that spy on you. None of that matters though. I have a hard enough time getting people to use Signal, which is free; anything paid is a complete nonstarter.

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