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And I'll vote for him again (lemmy.ml)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Why do you assume I don’t know these ideas just because I don’t agree with you?

Because you straight up said you've avoided looking into it in detail, your previous words:

I have read some, but I don’t need to read deep republican theory to see why their ideas are fundamentally wrong any more than I need to “read theory” to see fundamental issues with “Marxist” positions.

Also because from what I've read, you take a fundamentally reformist position which Marx painstakingly disproved the viability of over 150 years ago. If you've read capital to completion, or hell, just understood some of their short texts very well and extrapolated things yourself, you'd know a reformist position is unviable, and even if it were viable, would be magnitudes more violent than the worst mistakes and excesses of any ML movement.

I disagree fundamentally with the methods even if our compassion may be in common.

What methods do you disagree were inappropriate for the situations they occurred in? Because marxist leninists will probably agree that there was a mistake there to learn from, or will point out factors that might you might be uniformed or misinformed about.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I looked into it in detail enough to know what I need to know. I also didn't read Mein Kampf, should I read that before deciding I don't agree with fascism or is it enough to know that fascism fundamentally harms people and it doesn't matter what Mein Kampf says?

... reformist position Marx painstakingly disproved the viability of over 150 years ago

Disproved to you maybe, these are not facts. The bible proves things to Christians, they are wrong too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I looked into it in detail enough to know what I need to know. I also didn’t read Mein Kampf, should I read that before deciding I don’t agree with fascism or is it enough to know that fascism fundamentally harms people and it doesn’t matter what Mein Kampf says?

Wait, you don't want to understand the ideology that saved the world from German fascism, the ideology that supported and enabled liberation movements worldwide, the ideology that took Russia from a feudal backwater to space in 40 years, that advanced woman's rights in that time frame past women's rights in modern western countries? Why don't you want to understand the ideology of the most lgbt friendly government in the world, Cuba? Why don't you want to understand the ideology of countries that were historically much less violent than bourgeois 'democracies'?

Disproved to you maybe, these are not facts. The bible proves things to Christians, they are wrong too.

This is a flawed analogy because the Bible expects you to take things on faith, and Marx expects to have to thoroughly defend his position as it is a position contrary to the interests of capital. i love how you're arguing "well I'm not convinced" while refusing to even engage with basic ideas.

Some real taught to be afraid of shadows shit if you ask me.