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Why would socialism do this? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Both Crowder and Shapiro have claimed this. They point out that the Nazi party was the 'National Socialist German workers' party' and claim that's enough for it to be socialist, and then also claim Russia is a communist country.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Crowder and Shapiro are complete idiots.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Idiots? On the right? Arguing in bad faith? You don't say...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

The USSR was a communist country. A normal use of that term is that a country communist is one that's run by a communist party.

If you mean it didn't achieve communism, well duh communism is a hypothesized society achieved through socialism where the state ceases to exist. No socialists, including the people of the USSR, would think that their nation-state has achieved communism as that's oxymoronic. They would think of it as a transitional socialist state.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's a Hitler quote somewhere, in some letter that was like "we laugh at the fools who think our ideology has anything to do with the socialism of the bolsheviks"

There was another one where he says "I didn't want to kill the Jews, but they're all communists"

Someone with a better ability to keep track of sources than me probably knows where to find them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

You may be referring to a line from Mein Kampf, volume 2, chapter 4.

The fact that we had chosen red as the colour for our posters sufficed to attract them to our meetings. The ordinary bourgeoisie were very shocked to see that, we had also chosen the symbolic red of Bolshevism and they regarded this as something ambiguously significant. The suspicion was whispered in German Nationalist circles that we also were merely another variety of Marxism, perhaps even Marxists suitably disguised, or better still, Socialists. The actual difference between Socialism and Marxism still remains a mystery to these people up to this day.

The charge of Marxism was conclusively proved when it was discovered that at our meetings we deliberately substituted the words ‘Fellow-countrymen and Women’ for ‘Ladies and Gentlemen’ and addressed each other as ‘Party Comrade’. We used to roar with laughter at these silly faint‐hearted bourgeoisie and their efforts to puzzle out our origin, our intentions and our aims.

And the other paraphrase sounds like a reply to Planck: Planck began his intercession on behalf of Haber, even going so far as to say that without the latter’s chemical process for obtaining ammonia from the nitrogen of the air “the previous war would have been lost from the beginning.” To this remark Hitler retorted: “I have nothing at all against the Jews themselves. But the Jews are all Communists, and these are my enemies — it is against these that I am fighting.”