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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I apologise if this is the wrong community to post this in, I wasn’t sure which one was ideal.

I’m suffering a difficult decision of choosing between a Framework laptop or a Macbook Air (M1, 2020). I really like the ethical principles of Framework, i.e. you actually own it and can repair it any time, leading to an increased longevity. At the same time, I have heard people claim Macbook is superior in almost all aspects (especially battery life).

I know both Apple and Microsoft are greedy CorpGiants, but seeing as I have an iPhone, I figure it would be easier using a Mac? But then again, the prices really are not worth it, especially considering it costs a lot to repair them. I have 0 experience with Linux, and this computer will be used at school, so I suppose it stands between macOS and Windows.

I guess I just want some advice? Or some guidance and comparisons. Is 8GB enough for a Framework laptop? The 16GB version costs nearly as much as the Mac I’m looking at, hence my hesitance. If anybody has some experience using Framework and / or Macbook, I would love to hear about it. What are some pros and cons? Which people are better off with FW and Mac respectively?

Thank you!

*Edit, forgot to mention: I need a Swedish keyboard on the computer, and Framework apparently only offers English. This is the largest obstacle preventing me from leaning towards FW.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have the m1 macbook air, and its wonderfully performant and long battery life for how I use it... mostly just word-processing and web-browsing.

But the repair concerns are legit, when I decided to get the macbook, I decided I was going to play apples game and opted to get their service plan. I've had apple care+ on a tablet before and their service is great when you don't have to pay their ridiculous repair fees. So at a rate of $100 per year, I'm essentially leasing my laptop after I bought it. I have it automatically backed up to my home server, in the event that one of their stupid engineering designs destroys my data (See Louis Rossmann videos).

Idk if I'd ever really recommend anyone get a macbook if they don't need to, personally, the battery life and standby time are just killer features for me. I have ADHD, and frequently forget to charge my laptop.... if I'm not on my meds and I pick up my laptop to do something and its dead... I'm not going to do that thing. With the macbook, I make next to no conscious effort to keep it charged. If it's under ~20% and I happen to be near a charger, I'll charge it. And thats the extent of me managing the battery.

My wife on the other hand, her windows machine (and most seem to have this problem as I understand) is always dead. She's resorted to putting it into full hybernation mode (significantly slower to wake up) and even then, it somehow seems to still lose quite a bit of battery in between uses.

Aside from that, its light, small, its sturdy. I use windows for work and for gaming on my desktop, so I've got not strong aversion to it, its pretty much just the battery life and standby thats the killer feature for me. So... yeah, thats my take. If the battery situation isn't a big deal for you, go for the framework. They seem like a solid company, making solid laptops, that are easily and affordably repairable and upgradable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But the repair concerns are legit

Speaking as someone who has disassembled multiple Macbook Airs from multiple generations: Fuck working on Macbook Airs, and Macs in general.

I personally will never buy an Apple product at any price for any purpose, for a multitude of reasons. My preferences aside, if you ever want to work on your own machine Apple is objectively the wrong answer. OP is really looking at two machines that are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum, here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Do people really do home repair or upgraded on laptops in 2024 though? Desktops sure, but I haven't found laptops to be particularly amenable to home upgrade since the early 2000s.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Never mind upgrading, if you need to repair your Macbook -- replace a busted screen, swap out one of their famously shitty keyboards or trackpads, etc. -- you're in for a rough time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Frameworks yes, but that's pretty much the only ones you can nowadays. I do little things like replace the screen or barrel jacks on my family's laptops, but that's about all you can do.