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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've actually yet to see anybody you'd call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think people are thrown off by anti NATO stance. I almost don't blame people for confusing NATO opposition for Russia support, especially during on ongoing Russian invasion, which does seem to justify NATO's existence. Nevermind NATO's history of imperialist action, people are very tied up in the Ukraine war and are unwilling to cede any ground to anything that may appear even a little soft on Russia.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right, people are treating it as sports where you have to either cheer for one side or the other.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My issue with hexbearians was that in every single thread I saw them in they would do nothing but whatabout regardless of the context. I understand they may have good points about certain things and to their credit some had very well written and informative comments but most of the time they weren't directly relevant to the topic. It could be a loud minority but it doesn't change the fact it's annoying to see huge threads of whatabout arguments all the time by them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In my view, having consistent moral standards is a prerequisite for having an honest discussion on any topic. If anything, the actual whataboutism is pointing fingers at other countries while refusing to acknowledge what your own country is doing. People should focus on fixing problems at home and holding their own governments accountable first and foremost because that's where they have most agency.

This is what people who you accuse of whataboutism point out. Focusing on countries you don't like and talking about how bad they are when your own country does the same things simply serves to deflect attention and to create the impression that your own society is somehow better and more enlightened. This is how the west often justifies the atrocities it commits.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

getting called out for your bullshit on any topic pertains to the discussion, we've had problems with all crowds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

"whataboutism" does not mean "you're never allowed to point out a double standard"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know whataboutism isn't an actual logical fallacy and was originally used in defense of British colonialism "well the IRA also does bad things" right?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again, my point was that people should focus on themselves and what their countries are doing. Your "well the IRA also does bad things" is precisely the kind of deflection I'm arguing against.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm replying to the person you're replying to.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is really a non-sequitur but I have zero idea how people choose to upvote it downvote anymore. You and I were in agreement and somehow I got upvoted and you got downvoted? I don't get it

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago

lol, I have a following of a few very angry liberals on here :)