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Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
In what way is sucking the Chinese Governments boot any better than Facism?
Fuck the CCP
It's not. The Chinese government is an abusive autocracy that doesn't respect the "rights" of its people and answers to nothing and no one other than Xi and profits and power. Those three things are king.
Marxists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. They may have somewhat different end goals, but they're alike in having zero regard for the democratic will of the people. May every Hexbear troll be accursed.
I wouldn't say classical Marxists could be equated with fascists but most people nowadays who call themselves "Communists" are fascist at heart.
Authoritarian, yes, fascist, no. We need the term fascist at the moment to call out actual fascists, diluting it by using it label people who aren't fascists but are also problematic plays directly into the misinformation the fascists thrive on
Exactly, I’m getting sick to death of the overuse of the terms fascism and nazism because they’re being used to describe everyone with a totalitarian bent. Yes, the GOP have fascistic tendencies, so it’s apt, but the real operative word to use in pretty much all of these cases is authoritarianism. And whether they’re [actual] fascists or communists, authoritarians are reprehensible. The Nazis were irredeemable but—and I say this as a socialist—so were the Soviets.
Also it's disingenuous to pretend china isn't at all fascist.
China is good and fascism is bad hope that clears things up for you
They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don't agree with. It's not just some of the users it's almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.
Feel free to show us one single instance where they "stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric" because I don't believe you.
https://lemmy.one/post/2831169 Think I linked this right (haven’t tried since I switched to voyager). I can have more later this week if you want but it’s Labor Day weekend here and im drinking with family and you said literally one instance.
That's a dead link bro edit :actually, what's weird is the hyperlink is broken but the link itself seems to be working when you copy the text of your link.
Can you show an example of why of this? More sounds like you lost an argument.
Ah yes, lost as in they started posting pig shit balls " so lol you lose fucking lib"
Remember, if you having a conversation with someone on the internet and they're a bigger asshole you lose the conversation!
Thanks for your hexbear intelligence level adjacent conversation lemmygrad
Stuff that really ever happened. Got it.
Right, because they NEVER used pig shit balls that's not a custom emoji picture on their insurance or anything, and they don't have a "libsgetdunkedon" or equivalent community, where they say shit like that constantly. Riiiight.
But of course you have to deny reality to be on the mental level of a lemmygrad poster
I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I'm sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn't work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate
I couldn't care less about them
They are a tossup of ccp communists, hard left leninists and general anti westerners. They constantly bully people to remind them that they are smarter than you and they are eager to showcase this. They post screenshots of comments they want to target on their main page and links so they can brigade. If you even bother interacting, they will spam you with the intent of getting you to peer into their carefully chosen pieces of information to steer you toward communism. They are a nuisance and i have learned that if you can easily bait them into saying awful things.
Their whole stance is bizarre. It would be like if I believed every country should be democratic, but if any non-democratic foreigner asked me about it I said, "well I'm not going to even talk to you until you've read every bit of democratic theory, and even if you do, I'm not going to admit or discuss any criticism of democracy. Also, you are evil for just being born in your evil country." They can't possibly expect to convert anyone that way.
Written sarcasm is an art form that few people truly understand.
They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.
Thanks for the reasonable take!
I'll just leave this here https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/2796891
What is wrong with people
I don’t support messages like that but I’ve seen similar messages from racists and fascists from other instances too, does that mean every instance where a small portion of the users DM fucked up shit should be defederated?
I think if a whole instance was dedicated to racism or fascism, then yeah
Oh I agree but that’s why I specified a small portion. If an entire instance is dedicated to racism or fascism I 100% support defederation.
What about authoritarian communism?
Not great, but nowhere near the same level of problem in the west where most of us are commenting from right now, so your whataboutism is irrelevant. Wanna try again?
We're talking about hexbear, so it's perfectly relevant
At this point I assume anyone speaking positively on hexbears behalf is just an alt account.
It's easier this way, I don't have time for people who don't have eyes.
I was called a bigot by 7 or 8 different people because I dared to suggest that when someone finishes transitioning, they are no longer trans.
They are a man or woman, or whatever else they identify as.
That made me a bigot.
They don't help stomp out anything, they turn people against trans people. They literally give conservatives ammunition.
I believe trans refers to gender assigned at birth, so unless someone detransitions or time travels to change their birth gender I don't think fully transitioning can make you not trans.
Trans people continuing to call themselves trans after transitioning is an entirely different topic.
My point is that I accept trans people.
Someone wanting to call themselves trans after transitioning, in no way, justifies calling me a bigot. That is the most braindead way to try and influence change in the world.
Hexadytes are cancer. They're cancer here, they were cancer on /r/chapostraphouse.